On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 16:55, SchemaCzar <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Don't worry, @Tor! > > I got to today's podcast and I had to hear you announce you now worked > for Oracle. > > I worked for Oracle for eight years and was myself purchased in > 1998... for considerably less than they paid for you! My observation > is that even with huge acquisitions like PeopleSoft and Siebel, the > company was more worried about retaining people from the acquisition > than about retaining the existing people. > > Don't sell Larry Ellison short, or the Java element at Oracle. He > presided directly over a rather intense in-company debate on a Java > technology in the late 1990's, as recalled by a friend of mine. He > followed it completely and judged it correctly (siding with my > friend ;). > > Now Oracle has completely rededicated its Java-in-the-database effort > too... It's a great place to do Java. > > I must say with regret that this may damage or kill JDeveloper, which > I learned to love. Oracle tends to kill its old products when it buys > new ones. Might be good for NetBeans! > +1. JDeveloper was a lot better than many people gave it credit for. Often people didn't even try it, because it was Oracle and they assumed that meant it would force you to do things the Oracle way, or be evil and lock you into Oracle technology. I've used a lot of Java IDEs. No single one of them is perfect, but I always felt JDeveloper was at least as good as the other well known Java IDEs, and yet never got the recognition it deserved. I'm watching this whole thing with a lot of interest, since I was the tech lead on the JDeveloper core IDE for a while. I'm curious what the Sun acquisition will change (if anything) for JDeveloper and NetBeans. I agree with Andrew's general assessment - from what I observed at Oracle, the trend seems to be to embrace acquired technology and kill off extant internal stuff unless its market share is significantly higher. So I also suspect that it might be damaging for JDeveloper, at least the core Java IDE part of it. I strongly suspect the ADF design time and framework will continue to exist whatever happens. There are a lot of smart and hard working people on the JDeveloper and NetBeans teams, so I'm sure whatever they turn their hand to (whether it be JDeveloper in the future, or something NetBeans based), will be great. Brian Disclaimer: I have no inside information whatsoever, and don't work there any more. > > Good luck! > > -- Andrew Wolfe > > On Apr 20, 8:42 am, Donald Bell <[email protected]> wrote: > > I felt the reason that Oracle is leaning towards the BEA stuff over > > their own was more because BEA had better technical products in this > > space. > > > > How do you think Oracle handled the PeopleSoft & JD Edwards > > applications that they acquired when Oracle acquired PeopleSoft? > > > > Donald Bell > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
