In the interview with Cay Horstmann, I heard this: "People love to hate Java Server Faces, but (you know) what's the alternative?"
What's the alternative? I can't believe he even asked that! What about the dozen or so high-quality JVM web frameworks that most Java developers prefer: Stripes, Wicket, Tapestry, Open Laszlo, Struts 2.1, Google Web Toolkit, Lift (Scala), Grails (Groovy), etc? Basically, he's dismissing the negativity towards JSF as just the typical whining... Notice that for the past several years, evens Sun's official evangelists have basically ignored JSF in favor of promoting JRuby and Rails/Java/Glassfish integration and adoption. Also, take a look at job boards. Legacy projects are using Struts 1.x, but new Java web projects are using the JVM community frameworks mentioned earlier over JSF. Also, notice how popular, flashy-GUI web sites that use JVM technologies on the server, have almost all steered clear of JSF (mint.com, google, twitter, ebay, pandora, zoho, etc). And personally, I spent a *huge* amount of effort on a JSF 1.1 project and I have no personal stake in any JVM politics, I'm generally very pro-Sun (love JavaFX, NetBeans, etc), and I really think JSF was over- engineered and over-complicated for what it delivered. Bottom line: I'd really like to see The Posse discuss this kind of thing a little more. I'm sure the talent behind JSF was great and well- intentioned, but the community should be putting more attention on the better and more successful products in that same space. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
