The only sensible thing they can do for JavaFX is to add:

1) One kick-ass designer that is better than Matisse
2) One kick-ass manual layout manager
3) An easy and predictable way to move back and forth between 1 and 2.

Cheers,
Mikael Grev

On Jul 27, 1:29 pm, Jess Holle <[email protected]> wrote:
> I think JavaFX could and probably should speak to the requirements and
> use cases currently addressed by Swing.
>
> I'd agree that it currently doesn't, however -- it does not provide
> enough components, no layout appropriate for complex forms, nor a GUI
> layout tool oriented at complex layout of components rather than working
> with designer assets.
>
> Chas Emerick wrote:
> > On Jul 24, 12:22 pm, Dick Wall <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> Matisse is obviously a bit of an evolutionary dead-
> >> end now with JavaFX in the picture, but I appreciate environments that
> >> give me this kind of GUI constructor kit (like FlexBuilder for
> >> example) and get me back to the stuff that I am really interested in
> >> writing.
>
> > I suppose I'll be the one to say it -- JavaFX doesn't speak at all to
> > our requirements or use-cases, while Swing did and does.  Given that,
> > Matisse remains part of our core toolset, and none of the murmurings
> > around the JavaFX "designer tool" have given me any hope that that
> > will change anytime soon.
>
> > I'm certain I'm not the only one with that perspective, so I'd hope
> > that we could stay away from stuff like saying Matisse/Swing/et al.
> > are 'evolutionary dead-ends'.  UI is all about getting pixels on the
> > screen in the way that will achieve the customers' goals -- nothing
> > more, nothing less -- and given that JavaFX is just another layer on
> > top of AWT, I think everyone would be better served by not thinking
> > about the former as some wholly-new revolutionary technology.
>
> > Cheers,
>
> > - Chas
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