I don't think that argument holds any water, though. NB: I really need a better word than "hating on". Something not as strong. But for brevity, read 'hating' as "expressing concern publically", and take it with a grain of salt. Thanks!
The vast majority of microsoft haters that I've met back in the day when microsoft hate was in its heyday (around the time XP was released and the 3 years following it, which culminated in the gigantic court losses) did NOT really buy into the microsoft concept, and yet they hated on generally the same things apple is being hated for today, and definitely _WAY_ more vocally. I can hardly count the folks I know that hated on microsoft but now defend apple for doing something very similar, there are so many. Without making any judgement on whether any of this hating was warranted or if it served any purpose, or if those doing the hating are simply delusional or not, it is quite clear to me that the way the movers and shakers of today have been cheerleading apple and "projecting of ideals" onto apple itself is helping them a lot, not hurting them. Psychology backs me up on this too; if you've mentally associated yourself with an entity, you give them the benefit of the doubt almost all the time. See football matches, the controversy of choice, and, well, apple, I guess. On May 21, 10:36 am, Rakesh <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Reiner, > > true, I have oversimplified the situation and yes, I knew I would > probably start a flame war. > > But I know this group and I know we can still debate the situation like > adults. > > To clarify some points: > > "I also don't agree with the implication (deliberate or not) that Apple are > being victimised for betraying ideals which have been projected on to them." > > I absolutely think that people are giving Apple a harder time than > they would other companies because these people have projected ideals > on to them. And the reason they have done this is because they want > those shiny, shiny products. > > So thats my point - Apple is what Apple does and its really no > different than most companies (it wants to make money by cornering a > market and locking in users). A lot of you guys (not everyone, just > the people really, really horrified at Apple's hypocrisy) just can't > face that and need to vent rather than just stop buying the products. > > I should make it clear I am not defending Apple, to me its just > another company making money. I'm having a go at the 'outraged' > developers who feel betrayed. > > In case you are wondering, I own an iPhone, iPods and a MacBook. But I > like to think I have them because they are best-in-class for what I > needed at the time. > > Also, I didn't say Sun didn't want money, just that it came up with a > daft way of making it and it didn't work out. > > Rakesh > > On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 7:49 PM, Fabrizio Giudici > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > On 5/20/10 20:38 , Reinier Zwitserloot wrote: > >> non-"capitalist principles" to do so, including > >> cornering markets, playing the lockout game, and patent litigation. No > >> matter what Joe says, companies that engage in patent litigation > >> aren't anywhere near a living, breating example of a "capitalist > >> principles" company, unless you ascribe to the notion that > >> "capitalism" these days mostly involves lots of lawyers, lobbying, and > >> making the taxpayer pay for your mistakes. > > Simply great. > > > - -- > > Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect, Project Manager > > Tidalwave s.a.s. - "We make Java work. Everywhere." > > java.net/blog/fabriziogiudici -www.tidalwave.it/people > > [email protected] > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.14 (Darwin) > > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla -http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > > iEYEARECAAYFAkv1hE4ACgkQeDweFqgUGxdymwCfb18GdinZVjbPeSbHbbHmxq6+ > > JtYAnRcFZqPnFYRp+sgCgd0pxRDqptY5 > > =9RuL > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "The Java Posse" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected]. > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
