So not building some pretty neat hardware, then pushing the margins up by insisting that you use their software on it...
(have they ever sold a machine that didn't also force you to buy MacOS or OSX?) On 25 May 2010 00:32, Peter Becker <[email protected]> wrote: > I think with Apple it is all about the ability to design good user > interfaces. Maybe more accurately: the perception thereof. > > If someone would manage to create the next great app that works across > platforms, then that will weaken their position. > > Peter > > > > On 25/05/10 09:27, Kevin Wright wrote: > > :) > > I had an interesting thought earlier... > > All companies will defend their "core strengths" as strongly as possible, > using lawyers etc as necessary. > > Google do advertising and searching for products, they're currently being > sued for downgrading non-google price comparison sites in search results. > > Microsoft do operating [sic] systems and office productivity, they > publicised document specs to be able to secure government contracts, but > otherwise made them as convoluted and hard to implement as possible. > Windows is fairly safe through the available application base. > > So what do Apple consider to be a core competency that they are defending > here? > > > > On 24 May 2010 23:54, Peter Becker <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Yes, Kevin. This is the walled garden thread, don't post anything that >> hasn't been cleared with the management. And never ever consider changing >> the subject line, otherwise you get into trouble with the Google overlords. >> >> Peter >> >> >> >> On 25/05/10 01:17, Rakesh wrote: >> >>> I think you posted to the wrong thread Kevin! >>> >>> On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Kevin Wright >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Of course, the whole idea of a GUI came out of Xerox PARC, it was never >>>> Apple's invention. >>>> The GUI was actually invented as a better way to interact with the >>>> (then) >>>> new Smalltalk language, ironically one that is now restricted from >>>> apple's >>>> "walled garden" >>>> Even more ironically, Objective-C is basically a C/Smalltalk hybrid (the >>>> memory safety of C coupled with all the blazing speed of smalltalk - >>>> what's >>>> not to like!), so it makes sense that C would also be allowed. As for >>>> C++? >>>> That's anybody's guess! >>>> >>>> >>>> On 24 May 2010 15:13, jitesh dundas<[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hey Rakesh, >>>>> >>>>> No offense,but I just wanted to give my opinion.Anyways,please don't >>>>> reply to this question. >>>>> >>>>> I still think your conversation should be technical but I guess people >>>>> are enjoying this.. >>>>> 'One thing though,apple is really really good in bringing out good >>>>> stuff.. >>>>> >>>>> Please excuse me for the inconvenience. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> jd >>>>> >>>>> On 5/24/10, Rakesh<[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Jitesh, >>>>>> >>>>>> its considered a bit rude to hijack someone else's thread. >>>>>> >>>>>> Please start your own to discuss the wonders Apple has bestowed upon >>>>>> us. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers >>>>>> >>>>>> R >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 5:40 PM, jitesh dundas<[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> I agree with this reply. Why are we not talking about the innovations >>>>>>> that Apple is bringing out. What about the beautiful GUI that Apple >>>>>>> has and which Microsoft just copied..This is what changes business& >>>>>>> the way technology evolves.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We don't discuss about such things, but just plain old business stuff >>>>>>> sometimes.... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> One good question here is to see how Apple takes its inventions and >>>>>>> creates a Revolution.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> COULD WE EXPECT THIS FROM APPLE? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Any ideas? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Jitesh Dundas >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 5/21/10, Casper Bang<[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I absolutely think that people are giving Apple a harder time than >>>>>>>>> they would other companies because these people have projected >>>>>>>>> ideals >>>>>>>>> on to them. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I disagree. You know what would happen if Microsoft tried some of >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> stuff Apple has been pulling off? You wouldn't hear the end of it! >>>>>>>> Jobs rules like Bill Gates never did. Mind you, Apple traditionally >>>>>>>> has been able to do their monopoly game simply by being small enough >>>>>>>> for nobody to care. That is no longer the case however; call it the >>>>>>>> price of success. Apple is bound to get a taste of this, especially >>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>> they seem to prefer fist-fights rather than shaking hands. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So thats my point - Apple is what Apple does and its really no >>>>>>>>> different than most companies (it wants to make money by cornering >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> market and locking in users). A lot of you guys (not everyone, just >>>>>>>>> the people really, really horrified at Apple's hypocrisy) just >>>>>>>>> can't >>>>>>>>> face that and need to vent rather than just stop buying the >>>>>>>>> products. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Again I think you are attempting to stereotype and oversimplify, >>>>>>>> meaning none of the replies since your OP really sinked in as viable >>>>>>>> reasons. It's not about venting but about protecting consumers (even >>>>>>>> those who do not know they need it) from a mono-culture where you're >>>>>>>> told what to believe rather than think on your own. That really has >>>>>>>> nothing specifically to do with capitalism or betrayal, just plain >>>>>>>> common sense. After all, history is full of examples of what happens >>>>>>>> when you stop asking questions and just blindly follow. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> /Casper >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups >>>>>>>> "The Java Posse" group. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>> [email protected]<javaposse%[email protected]> >>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups >>>>>>> "The Java Posse" group. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> [email protected]<javaposse%[email protected]> >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups >>>>>> "The Java Posse" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> [email protected]<javaposse%[email protected]> >>>>>> . >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups >>>>> "The Java Posse" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> [email protected]<javaposse%[email protected]> >>>>> . >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Kevin Wright >>>> >>>> mail/google talk: [email protected] >>>> wave: [email protected] >>>> skype: kev.lee.wright >>>> twitter: @thecoda >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups >>>> "The Java Posse" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]<javaposse%[email protected]> >>>> . >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "The Java Posse" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]<javaposse%[email protected]> >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >> >> > > > -- > Kevin Wright > > mail/google talk: [email protected] > wave: [email protected] > skype: kev.lee.wright > twitter: @thecoda > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<javaposse%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > -- Kevin Wright mail/google talk: [email protected] wave: [email protected] skype: kev.lee.wright twitter: @thecoda -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. 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