On Jun 9, 1:59 am, Reinier Zwitserloot <[email protected]> wrote: > Nice series of non-sequitur apple bashing there. None of that is even > relevant. Apple relatively recently replaced their entire base > *LANGUAGE* and base library for development (from carbon to cocoa) and > snow leopard included a big stack of new features for Objective C, > such as garbage collection. > Cocoa has been the 'default' development API for Mac OS X since the NextStep days. Carbon was a porting API created to help third party developers (eg. Adobe/Microsoft) move their apps from OS 9 to OS X when those developers didn't like the look of Cocoa. You could almost tell the apps that came from NextStep or OS 9 by the libraries that they linked against (Mail.app/Terminal.app vs Quicktime Player.app).
Carbon was announced as deprecated in OS X 10.6 in a WWDC the year after it had been previously promised. Apple have put a lot of work into Objective C to add new features though. > In the mean time, windows has abandoned the .NET platform concept. In > Vista and Windows 7, the go-to language for making Windows 7 apps is > still C++. So, whatever you're talking about - I can't make heads or > tails of it. > > As far as developer satisfaction goes - given that mac OS X is the > dominant platform amongst new developers, calling OS X "abandonware" > is still completely ridiculous hyperbole. > > On Jun 8, 1:26 pm, Casper Bang <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Jun 8, 11:03 am, Reinier Zwitserloot <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On the other hand, apple just released a brand new OS X. Back when > > > microsoft hadn't released a new windows for about a *decade*, people > > > STILL weren't calling windows abandonware, but apple gives it some > > > slack for about 10 months year and this happens. Nuts. > > > Ah but you forget to factor in developer experiences and opinions; an > > influence vector largely ignored by Apple and probably contributing > > factor to Android's success. > > > I hear more and more negativity from the Apple world when it comes to > > developer satisfaction and MonoTouch for the iPhone is a good example > > of a 3'rd part trying to improve this seemingly neglected aspect. Yes > > Microsoft had their time and is now largely playing catch up, but the > > same force keeping Java alive is also keeping Windows alive; developer > > inertia. Small difference of course in that Microsoft are actually > > able to innovate for their developers and do not take 10+ years to add > > a language feature (enum, method-handle, string-in-switch, ARM blocks > > etc.). > > > > As usual trying to inject some sanity into overly dramatic discussions. > > > Yeah good lord, what should we do without you! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
