On 10 juin 2010, at 08:26, Steven Herod wrote:

> That's what I wondered, the story talks about how much more costly it
> is what they've budgeted, but as I understand it, Euro zone employment
> laws are pretty insane (18 months salary as severance in France).

I think you're contributing to a myth here...
-Alexis

> Of course, I'm not an expert, but I just wondered if that was an
> influencer on the intended costs.
> 
> On Jun 9, 12:48 am, Robert Casto <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I wonder if people are reading more into this than there is. Yes, the
>> European part of Sun is taking a big hit. And why not? It is harder to do
>> business over there with all the employment rules. The EU blocked the sale
>> for a long time and cost Oracle a ton of money and lost opportunity. And
>> with most of the business here in the US where it can be controlled, they
>> should do much better. These markdowns are a common financial tool used to
>> clean the books. If anything, they may look lots better in a year or two
>> once things get off the books.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 10:09 AM, jitesh dundas <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> I think they are going to use open-source foundations for their
>>> work..Cutting them out will be a big mistake..
>> 
>>> They might want to integrate java into their core suite of products, but
>>> removing that will make things uncomfortable for many developers..
>> 
>>> I am sure larry ellison knows about all the trouble..
>> 
>>> BTW, dont forget the other products of SUN that Oracle may get..Might help
>>> them compete better with Microsoft ..I mean its obvious larry is going after
>>> microsoft with all this..
>> 
>>> regards,
>>> jd
>> 
>>> On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 7:19 PM, Blanford <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>>>> @Chris Adamson
>> 
>>>> Remember, there exists the following:
>>>> Perl Foundation
>>>> Python Foundation
>>>> Linux Foundation
>>>> Apache Foundation
>> 
>>>> All of which are supported by grass roots and corporate efforts (but
>>>> are not controlled by a single corporation).
>> 
>>>> Google and other companies would support this foundation due to their
>>>> dependance on Java.
>> 
>>>> Google, Microsoft and HP all currently support the Apache foundation.
>> 
>>>> On Jun 8, 9:45 am, Chris Adamson <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> Who's going to pay for it? Unlike the Mozilla Foundation, this Java
>>>>> Foundation couldn't count on Google search referral money to fund its
>>>>> operations.  And IMHO, turning Java into a charity would kill it.
>> 
>>>>> --Chris
>> 
>>>>> On Jun 8, 9:35 am, Blanford <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>>>>>> It is time for Java to go out on its own,  it is time for a "Java
>>>>>> Foundation" to manage the project!
>> 
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