Performance isn't what worries me. Well, it would with my phone slooooooow. Power consumption and batteries are my worry about mobile flash.
On Sep 2, 10:36 am, James Ward <[email protected]> wrote: > "Flash doesn't work for shit on android. DUH! Who was expecting different?" > > Have you actually tried Flash on an Android 2.2 phone? > > I am continually surprised with just how much Flash stuff actually does work > (especially when compared to how much HTML5 stuff doesn't work). And the > hover issue is not nearly as big of an issue as you may think. In Flash when > you touch the screen it dispatches a mouse over and a mouse down event. If > you touch somewhere and then drag your finger over something then it will > dispatch a mouse over event for that object - just like with a cursor on the > desktop. I've only found a small number of Flash sites that just don't work > due to the lack of a true mouse cursor. > > -James > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Reinier Zwitserloot > Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 10:03 PM > To: The Java Posse > Subject: [The Java Posse] Re: flash on android > > Why does everyone continue to insist that the whole grey-rectangle-in- > a-browser-window approach is feasible for the future of the web? > > Flash, *AND* crazy HTML5-powered experiments all aren't going to ever run > right on a phone. The notion that it ever will is a total pipe dream. Adding > flash support isn't going to help one iota, because, as has been said, these > apps are so interactive they almost invariably HAVE TO make assumptions about > the user interface; it has to assume there's such a thing as hover (which you > can do as well in HTML5 and that would break your HTML5 no-flash web page > just as effectively on an iPhone or android phone as using flash will), it > has to assume there's a certain (minimum) size. It has to assume there's a > certain amount of processing power. > > In just about every case, writing such an app and presuming the shared > minimum amongst all platforms that the web is viewed on these days is a > pathetic platform that no one can write a nice app for. The screen is no > bigger than 400x300, there's only left click and absolutely nothing else, not > even a keyboard, you should be stingy with processor intensive anything, and > you can't assume there'll be good latency or a big bandwidth pipe. > > Flash doesn't work for shit on android. DUH! Who was expecting different? > > The few things where you can imagine a flash app that would work quite nicely > whether it runs on a phone or on a big iron desktop machine are the kinds of > apps that are just as easily written in HTML5, and for these kinds of apps, > flash just definitely just die off, because HTML5 is not controlled by a > single company, and integrating flash + HTML5 is always going to be more > difficult than doing something in all-flash or all-HTML5. If the choice is > between only flash and only HTML5, I bet I'm not the only one that believes > that HTML5 is a far nicer environment than flash. So, if we must choose, we > choose HTML5. > Conclusion: Flash has no place on a phone. Yes, it sucks you can't see flash > sites, but that is not fixed by adding flash support to phones. > > The only app > > On Sep 1, 4:48 pm, James Ward <[email protected]> wrote: > > “Can be done” is different than “done”. :) There is a lot of Flash > > content out there and it’s nice to have a phone that can render it. > > > In my experience more of the Flash content that is out there works on my > > Nexus One with Flash Player 10.1 than the HTML5 content and galleries. > > Many of the demos on the HTML5Rocks and apple.com/html5 sites just don’t > > work on my Nexus One. > > > As a developer and a consumer I like to have choices and the ability to > > pick the technology that is right for the problem. Sometimes that will be > > HTML / HTML5. Sometimes Flash. > > > -James > > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > > On Behalf Of work only > > Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:35 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [The Java Posse] Re: flash on android > > > Hi > > > Nice sites :) > > > But when Google says HTML5 they really means (HTML5 + CSS + JS) > > > Actionscript is based on JavaScript ( ECMAScript )! > > > From that list of 10 sites - don't see anything that can't be done > > with HTML5 + CSS + JS :) > > > Paul > > > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 9:29 PM, Steven Herod > > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > Have a look at these and get back to me. > > >http://www.ebizmba.com/articles/best-flash-sites > > > On Sep 1, 2:19 pm, work only > > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > > It will be a while before HTML 5 comes remotely close to what can > > > > be done easily with Flash today. > > > > Plus that was just video (not really flash no) HTML5 can do that > > > easy :) > > > > Plus what can flash do more then HTML5? > > > > 2010/8/31 Cédric Beust ♔ <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > > > > > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:59 PM, work only > > > > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > >> thats suck - Flash is not for mobile, just does not fit, we > > > >> should all use > > > >> HTML5 :) > > > > > It will be a while before HTML 5 comes remotely close to what can > > > > be done easily with Flash today. > > > > > -- > > > > Cédric > > > > > -- > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > > Groups "The Java Posse" group. > > > > To post to this group, send email to > > > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > [email protected]<mailto:javaposse%2Bunsubscr > > > > javaposse+...@googl > > > > javaposse+egroups.com><javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups .com> > > > > . > > > > For more options, visit this group at > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "The Java Posse" group. > > To post to this group, send email to > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected]<mailto:javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googl > > egroups.com>. > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "The Java Posse" group. > > To post to this group, send email to > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected]<mailto:javaposse+unsubscr...@googleg > > roups.com>. > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. 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