Guys, what are you hoping to accomplish with this discussion? 2010/9/5 Cédric Beust ♔ <[email protected]>
> > > On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 1:35 AM, Reinier Zwitserloot <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Europe has no software patents. Clearly the >> lack of software patents does not stifle research budgets. > > > Please reread my post. The question is whether the absence of software > patents would allow for more or less innovations. In other words, is there > more innovation in countries that don't have software patents than in > countries that do. > > No matter how fast you want to answer this question, I'm saying it's really > very hard to tell (and naïve observers would probably say that there is a > lot more software innovation coming out of the US than in any other > country). > > >> I grant you apple is doing a far better job at it, but I don't see what >> patent law >> has to do with this. > > > You are confusing innovating and protecting your innovations. We're talking > about the latter. > > > >> You argue: If software patents didn't exist, companies may not bother >> with research. Well, nokia has the biggest budget and they live on an >> entire continent without software patents. >> > > They are bound by US software patent laws for anything they want to sell on > the US continent, so I'm pretty sure that US software patent laws have a > huge impact on their product decisions. > > There still is innovation, but there is no proof that the innovation >> that is happening is being boosted by the US patent system. > > > I agree, but this goes both ways. There is no obvious proof that the > absence of software patent laws would boost innovation either. > > >> For example, a large amount of startups don't patent anything, yet they >> appear to be one of the main drivers of innovation. > > > 99% of these start ups fail. Those that do well have either good > technology, good people or a good patent portfolio (which is very often the > main driver in an acquisition decision). > > Again, please don't twist my words, I'm simply drawing your attention to > the fact that abolishing software patent laws overnight would have a lot of > negative effects that you don't seem to want to consider. > > >> I can point out a number of cases where patent law is actively stifling >> innovation > > > Me as well, and if you know what I was doing at my previous job, you > probably know exactly what I'm referring to. And yet, I see this debate in a > much more nuanced way than you are. Maybe this should cause you to pause. > > Also, patent law basically doesn't cover china. Which so happens to be >> cheap >> knockoff central, so your main point there just doesn't add up at all. >> > > Well, let me ask you a simple question, then: do you think we see more > software innovations coming from China or coming from the US? > > -- > Cédric > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<javaposse%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > -- Viktor Klang, Code Connoisseur Work: www.akkasource.com Code: github.com/viktorklang Follow: twitter.com/viktorklang Read: klangism.tumblr.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
