Agitator ;-) Viktor Klang Code Connoisseur www.akkasource.com
On Sep 5, 2010, at 21:00, "Joe Nuxoll (Java Posse)" <[email protected]> wrote: > I so love reading these debates! Go on gentlemen! > > - Joe > > On Sep 5, 8:36 am, Viktor Klang <[email protected]> wrote: >> Guys, what are you hoping to accomplish with this discussion? >> >> 2010/9/5 Cédric Beust ♔ <[email protected]> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 1:35 AM, Reinier Zwitserloot >>> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>>> Europe has no software patents. Clearly the >>>> lack of software patents does not stifle research budgets. >> >>> Please reread my post. The question is whether the absence of software >>> patents would allow for more or less innovations. In other words, is there >>> more innovation in countries that don't have software patents than in >>> countries that do. >> >>> No matter how fast you want to answer this question, I'm saying it's really >>> very hard to tell (and naïve observers would probably say that there is a >>> lot more software innovation coming out of the US than in any other >>> country). >> >>>> I grant you apple is doing a far better job at it, but I don't see what >>>> patent law >>>> has to do with this. >> >>> You are confusing innovating and protecting your innovations. We're talking >>> about the latter. >> >>>> You argue: If software patents didn't exist, companies may not bother >>>> with research. Well, nokia has the biggest budget and they live on an >>>> entire continent without software patents. >> >>> They are bound by US software patent laws for anything they want to sell on >>> the US continent, so I'm pretty sure that US software patent laws have a >>> huge impact on their product decisions. >> >>> There still is innovation, but there is no proof that the innovation >>>> that is happening is being boosted by the US patent system. >> >>> I agree, but this goes both ways. There is no obvious proof that the >>> absence of software patent laws would boost innovation either. >> >>>> For example, a large amount of startups don't patent anything, yet they >>>> appear to be one of the main drivers of innovation. >> >>> 99% of these start ups fail. Those that do well have either good >>> technology, good people or a good patent portfolio (which is very often the >>> main driver in an acquisition decision). >> >>> Again, please don't twist my words, I'm simply drawing your attention to >>> the fact that abolishing software patent laws overnight would have a lot of >>> negative effects that you don't seem to want to consider. >> >>>> I can point out a number of cases where patent law is actively stifling >>>> innovation >> >>> Me as well, and if you know what I was doing at my previous job, you >>> probably know exactly what I'm referring to. And yet, I see this debate in a >>> much more nuanced way than you are. Maybe this should cause you to pause. >> >>> Also, patent law basically doesn't cover china. Which so happens to be >>>> cheap >>>> knockoff central, so your main point there just doesn't add up at all. >> >>> Well, let me ask you a simple question, then: do you think we see more >>> software innovations coming from China or coming from the US? >> >>> -- >>> Cédric >> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "The Java Posse" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]<javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups >>> .com> >>> . >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >> >> -- >> Viktor Klang, >> Code Connoisseur >> Work: www.akkasource.com >> Code: github.com/viktorklang >> Follow: twitter.com/viktorklang >> Read: klangism.tumblr.com > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
