I so love reading these debates! Go on gentlemen! - Joe
On Sep 5, 8:36 am, Viktor Klang <[email protected]> wrote: > Guys, what are you hoping to accomplish with this discussion? > > 2010/9/5 Cédric Beust ♔ <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 1:35 AM, Reinier Zwitserloot > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > >> Europe has no software patents. Clearly the > >> lack of software patents does not stifle research budgets. > > > Please reread my post. The question is whether the absence of software > > patents would allow for more or less innovations. In other words, is there > > more innovation in countries that don't have software patents than in > > countries that do. > > > No matter how fast you want to answer this question, I'm saying it's really > > very hard to tell (and naïve observers would probably say that there is a > > lot more software innovation coming out of the US than in any other > > country). > > >> I grant you apple is doing a far better job at it, but I don't see what > >> patent law > >> has to do with this. > > > You are confusing innovating and protecting your innovations. We're talking > > about the latter. > > >> You argue: If software patents didn't exist, companies may not bother > >> with research. Well, nokia has the biggest budget and they live on an > >> entire continent without software patents. > > > They are bound by US software patent laws for anything they want to sell on > > the US continent, so I'm pretty sure that US software patent laws have a > > huge impact on their product decisions. > > > There still is innovation, but there is no proof that the innovation > >> that is happening is being boosted by the US patent system. > > > I agree, but this goes both ways. There is no obvious proof that the > > absence of software patent laws would boost innovation either. > > >> For example, a large amount of startups don't patent anything, yet they > >> appear to be one of the main drivers of innovation. > > > 99% of these start ups fail. Those that do well have either good > > technology, good people or a good patent portfolio (which is very often the > > main driver in an acquisition decision). > > > Again, please don't twist my words, I'm simply drawing your attention to > > the fact that abolishing software patent laws overnight would have a lot of > > negative effects that you don't seem to want to consider. > > >> I can point out a number of cases where patent law is actively stifling > >> innovation > > > Me as well, and if you know what I was doing at my previous job, you > > probably know exactly what I'm referring to. And yet, I see this debate in a > > much more nuanced way than you are. Maybe this should cause you to pause. > > > Also, patent law basically doesn't cover china. Which so happens to be > >> cheap > >> knockoff central, so your main point there just doesn't add up at all. > > > Well, let me ask you a simple question, then: do you think we see more > > software innovations coming from China or coming from the US? > > > -- > > Cédric > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "The Java Posse" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected]<javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups > > .com> > > . > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > -- > Viktor Klang, > Code Connoisseur > Work: www.akkasource.com > Code: github.com/viktorklang > Follow: twitter.com/viktorklang > Read: klangism.tumblr.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
