I'd take it further still.

Apple will lose money from Java developers.
But they'll also lose money from anyone who believes they may want/need to
work on *any* JVM-based language in the future.
and from anyone using a Java-based IDE for languages that have absolutely
nothing to do with the JVM.


On 21 October 2010 11:36, robross <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> On Oct 21, 3:06 am, Chris Adamson <[email protected]> wrote:
> > A few historical notes:
> >
> > * This sort of reverts to the state the Mac was in around '97 or '98,
> > when there were many competing VMs for the Mac (developer-oriented VMs
> > from Metrowerks and Roaster, user-oriented VMs from Microsoft and
> > Netscape, etc.).  At the time, Apple licensed Java from Sun and said
> > it would be better for users to have a single, system-standard JVM.
> > Obviously, times have changed.
>
> Don't forget that in 97/98, the dot-com reality distortion field was
> in full swing. Your sole goal as a company consisted of spending as
> much money as possible acquiring market share, and figuring out how to
> make money came "later."
>
> I don't see that same dynamic helping in the current situation. At
> least Apple could make some money off their JVM investment by selling
> hardware to Java developers. What is a 3rd party's financial incentive
> for providing a Mac JVM, when end-users  are conditioned to think that
> downloading these types of "add ons" (Flash/Java, etc) are Free as in
> beer.
>
>
> >
> > * At least once, I've wondered aloud about whether Java on the Mac is
> > more important to Apple or Sun (now Oracle, of course).  Would a lack
> > of Java hurt Mac sales, or hurt Java's cross-platform legitimacy?
> > Maybe now we're going to find out.
>
> Indeed. I suspect Apple will lose a little money on hardware sales
> that would have previously gone to Java developers. But then again,
> they're making so much money right now they probably won't even
> notice.
>
> Rob
>
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