On 10/28/2010 03:19 PM, Les Stroud wrote:
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9193538/Oracle_Google_directly_copied_our_Java_code

It looks like oracle needed IBM's assurance that they would not get
involved.  Once they had that, they are expanding their lawsuit from
fairly weak patent violations to intellectual property theft.  The
claim appears to claim that Google copied all of the java APIs...aka
Harmony.  wow.  I didn't see that coming, but this puts a completely
different spin on the lawsuit. It's hard to imagine that it has merit
Not completely different. In August everybody started talking about patents, but somebody pointed out that the last part of the lawsuit mentioned IP infringements too. Clearly the focus was on patents, and I agree with you that the overall impression is that Oracle waited for the deal with IBM before putting the focus on it. If it's true, and if Oracle wins, this confirms my impression that a thing such as Harmony, technicalities apart, couldn't rise but with the fundamental support of IBM. In other words, another reason that calls for a reality check in the community.

(Google is on the JCP and therefore has the rights to implement
specs).  However, this makes the suite very specific.  Oracle is
really out for blood
Indeed:

"In at least several instances, Android computer program code also was directly copied from copyrighted Oracle America code," Oracle alleges.

So, they are not talking (only) of implementing the specs, but of code being _directly_ copied. I'd be deeply surprised by that, because it would have been a blatant error by Apache, which I think is very competent and careful about this sort of issues. OTOH, it's hard for me to imagine that Oracle uses a blatantly useless weapon, furthermore as part of an escalation (I mean, it's not that patent claims have been dismissed yet and they have to desperately resort to another thing).

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