An eclipse auto-update stat would be way more compelling. I don't doubt the 10% for Mac as being representative, but I really doubt the 33% for Linux. Macs have very low big corp presence and I think java has very large big company presence, less so in small companies so 10% sounds reasonable. Just anecdotally, I rarely see Linux on a dev machine. So 33% seems crazy high.
Sent from my iPad On Oct 29, 2010, at 9:30 PM, Keith Haber <[email protected]> wrote: > The linked page says this was a survey of 1696 people. It's not like > this 8% number came from Eclipse auto-update statistics. How were > these survey respondents chosen? I didn't dig into the published > details linked on the page, but personally I doubt the respondents > were a statistically valid sample of the overall Java developer > population. > > My gut says the ~10% figure isn't wildly off the mark. But I'd be > careful about claiming that this survey is "proof that what you see at > conferences is a distortion of reality" - I don't think this survey > "proves" anything one way or the other about the makeup of the Java > developer community. > > As for me, my work machine runs Windows, but my home machine is a Mac, > and I use Eclipse on both. It looks like the survey asks for "primary > development operating system," so I'd have answered Windows on the > survey. I normally take my Mac with me to conferences though. (Maybe > my presence at conferences inflates the perception of full-time Mac > usage, when I really only get to use my Mac outside of the office.) > > Also, I second those who say Eclipse works well on the Mac. > > Keith > > > On Oct 29, 8:39 pm, Neil Bartlett <[email protected]> wrote: >> I don't think Fabrizio made that argument at all, and he didn't say >> anything about the relative importance of different kinds of Java >> developer. >> >> IMHO all Java developers are important to the Java community. Even if >> Mac users represent only 10% (again, assuming the numbers from Eclipse >> are representative), that's not a 10% we can afford to lose. >> >> Neil >> >> On Oct 29, 10:56 pm, Reinier Zwitserloot <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> What kind of silly argument is this? All programmers are not made >>> equal. What are you trying to say exactly? That Mac OS X java >>> developers aren't all that important because it's only 10%, while at >>> the same time saying that those developers that go to conferences use >>> Mac OS X rather a lot. That doesn't make any sense: Those developers >>> that go to conferences are clearly far more important than those that >>> don't. >> >>> On Oct 29, 9:16 pm, Fabrizio Giudici <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >> >>>> A couple of days ago we were discussing on numbers. The Eclipse >>>> community has some of them: >> >>>> http://ianskerrett.wordpress.com/2010/06/07/trends-from-the-eclipse-c... >> >>>> Mac OS X is at 8%. So, people guessing under 10% were right, assuming >>>> that the Eclipse community is a good sample. Another proof that what you >>>> see at conferences is a distortion of reality. >> >>>> -- >>>> f.g. > > On Oct 29, 8:39 pm, Neil Bartlett <[email protected]> wrote: >> I don't think Fabrizio made that argument at all, and he didn't say >> anything about the relative importance of different kinds of Java >> developer. >> >> IMHO all Java developers are important to the Java community. Even if >> Mac users represent only 10% (again, assuming the numbers from Eclipse >> are representative), that's not a 10% we can afford to lose. >> >> Neil >> >> On Oct 29, 10:56 pm, Reinier Zwitserloot <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> What kind of silly argument is this? All programmers are not made >>> equal. What are you trying to say exactly? That Mac OS X java >>> developers aren't all that important because it's only 10%, while at >>> the same time saying that those developers that go to conferences use >>> Mac OS X rather a lot. That doesn't make any sense: Those developers >>> that go to conferences are clearly far more important than those that >>> don't. >> >>> On Oct 29, 9:16 pm, Fabrizio Giudici <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >> >>>> A couple of days ago we were discussing on numbers. The Eclipse >>>> community has some of them: >> >>>> http://ianskerrett.wordpress.com/2010/06/07/trends-from-the-eclipse-c... >> >>>> Mac OS X is at 8%. So, people guessing under 10% were right, assuming >>>> that the Eclipse community is a good sample. Another proof that what you >>>> see at conferences is a distortion of reality. >> >>>> -- >>>> f.g. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
