On 10/30/2010 03:53 PM, Kevin Wright wrote:
Put it another way then... How many windows dev machines do you see that *don't* have cygwin on?

It's every programmer's favourite "What I really want is Linux, especially the command line, but I'm forced into into using windows by this stupid corporate policy" tool.

I even tried using Konsole through KDE for windows, but it insisted on dumping stuff in my (size restricted) roaming profile. Nowadays, I'll push as hard as I can to use OSX or to get linux on my machine, failing that - it's VirtualBox

My point was to try to anchor some reasonings to facts - do you guys remember the old, sane principle, first facts and then deductions? :-) Because we're all respectable gals and guys here, but if we just listen to us, we get to everything and its opposite. I'd like to see download stats too (for NetBeans too), but clearly the guys don't want to disclose them. In any case, I think that the Eclipse Foundation is professional enough to be able to run polls in a decent manner - and there are no reasons for which they should bias the results.

We can claim that people going at conferences are more important than others, but I fear we only do because ... they're us. We don't pay Apple more than other people, so I think that those stats make Java developers really not important in Apple's marketing plans. They don't make Java developers particularly appealing to Oracle, too (given that, I think that still a few weeks should be waited for before calling Oracle out of the game).


BTW, since somebody already pointed out, the USA keeps being different than the rest of the world:

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/mac-os-usage-share-down-worldwide-up-in-the-us/10197?tag=nl.e539

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