Put it another way then... How many windows dev machines do you see that *don't* have cygwin on?
It's every programmer's favourite "What I really want is Linux, especially the command line, but I'm forced into into using windows by this stupid corporate policy" tool. I even tried using Konsole through KDE for windows, but it insisted on dumping stuff in my (size restricted) roaming profile. Nowadays, I'll push as hard as I can to use OSX or to get linux on my machine, failing that - it's VirtualBox On 30 October 2010 14:39, Phil Swenson <[email protected]> wrote: > An eclipse auto-update stat would be way more compelling. > > I don't doubt the 10% for Mac as being representative, but I really doubt > the 33% for Linux. Macs have very low big corp presence and I think java > has very large big company presence, less so in small companies so 10% > sounds reasonable. Just anecdotally, I rarely see Linux on a dev machine. > So 33% seems crazy high. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Oct 29, 2010, at 9:30 PM, Keith Haber <[email protected]> wrote: > > > The linked page says this was a survey of 1696 people. It's not like > > this 8% number came from Eclipse auto-update statistics. How were > > these survey respondents chosen? I didn't dig into the published > > details linked on the page, but personally I doubt the respondents > > were a statistically valid sample of the overall Java developer > > population. > > > > My gut says the ~10% figure isn't wildly off the mark. But I'd be > > careful about claiming that this survey is "proof that what you see at > > conferences is a distortion of reality" - I don't think this survey > > "proves" anything one way or the other about the makeup of the Java > > developer community. > > > > As for me, my work machine runs Windows, but my home machine is a Mac, > > and I use Eclipse on both. It looks like the survey asks for "primary > > development operating system," so I'd have answered Windows on the > > survey. I normally take my Mac with me to conferences though. (Maybe > > my presence at conferences inflates the perception of full-time Mac > > usage, when I really only get to use my Mac outside of the office.) > > > > Also, I second those who say Eclipse works well on the Mac. > > > > Keith > > > > > > On Oct 29, 8:39 pm, Neil Bartlett <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I don't think Fabrizio made that argument at all, and he didn't say > >> anything about the relative importance of different kinds of Java > >> developer. > >> > >> IMHO all Java developers are important to the Java community. Even if > >> Mac users represent only 10% (again, assuming the numbers from Eclipse > >> are representative), that's not a 10% we can afford to lose. > >> > >> Neil > >> > >> On Oct 29, 10:56 pm, Reinier Zwitserloot <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> What kind of silly argument is this? All programmers are not made > >>> equal. What are you trying to say exactly? That Mac OS X java > >>> developers aren't all that important because it's only 10%, while at > >>> the same time saying that those developers that go to conferences use > >>> Mac OS X rather a lot. That doesn't make any sense: Those developers > >>> that go to conferences are clearly far more important than those that > >>> don't. > >> > >>> On Oct 29, 9:16 pm, Fabrizio Giudici <[email protected]> > >>> wrote: > >> > >>>> A couple of days ago we were discussing on numbers. The Eclipse > >>>> community has some of them: > >> > >>>> > http://ianskerrett.wordpress.com/2010/06/07/trends-from-the-eclipse-c... > >> > >>>> Mac OS X is at 8%. So, people guessing under 10% were right, assuming > >>>> that the Eclipse community is a good sample. Another proof that what > you > >>>> see at conferences is a distortion of reality. > >> > >>>> -- > >>>> f.g. > > > > On Oct 29, 8:39 pm, Neil Bartlett <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I don't think Fabrizio made that argument at all, and he didn't say > >> anything about the relative importance of different kinds of Java > >> developer. > >> > >> IMHO all Java developers are important to the Java community. Even if > >> Mac users represent only 10% (again, assuming the numbers from Eclipse > >> are representative), that's not a 10% we can afford to lose. > >> > >> Neil > >> > >> On Oct 29, 10:56 pm, Reinier Zwitserloot <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> What kind of silly argument is this? All programmers are not made > >>> equal. What are you trying to say exactly? That Mac OS X java > >>> developers aren't all that important because it's only 10%, while at > >>> the same time saying that those developers that go to conferences use > >>> Mac OS X rather a lot. That doesn't make any sense: Those developers > >>> that go to conferences are clearly far more important than those that > >>> don't. > >> > >>> On Oct 29, 9:16 pm, Fabrizio Giudici <[email protected]> > >>> wrote: > >> > >>>> A couple of days ago we were discussing on numbers. The Eclipse > >>>> community has some of them: > >> > >>>> > http://ianskerrett.wordpress.com/2010/06/07/trends-from-the-eclipse-c... > >> > >>>> Mac OS X is at 8%. So, people guessing under 10% were right, assuming > >>>> that the Eclipse community is a good sample. 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