On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Carl Jokl <[email protected]> wrote:

> Doing things the current way still leaves you forced to use
> JavaScript.
>
> How many people here develop with JavaScript because they really like
> and enjoy using JavaScript?
>

I certainly do.  The popularity of tools like node.js show that I'm not
alone either.


> How many people here develop with JavaScript because they have no
> other choice?
>

There are lots of other choices for browser based development.  GWT.  Flex.
C++, if you want to go the native plugin route.


> I wish there was a bytecode which could be targeted by compilers.


Are you an ASN.1 person by any chance?


> To
> make that work would require all the browser vendors to agree on that.
> There are existing bytecode formats which would be useful to reuse.
> That gets into a political problem where both Microsoft and Oracle can
> be sue happy and someone using just the bytecode / JIT part of the
> platform without taking the rest could lead to upset. I also think the
> Browser developers might have misgivings about incorporating such a VM
> into their browser (a bit of 'not invented here' syndrome).
>
> It would be great if it happened. I just don't think it will without a
> lot of pressure from some big entity.
>

This is a nearly fantastical viewpoint.  What do you think the installed
base of browsers is worldwide?  At a guess, I'd say well over a billion.
Look at the hard time that people are having already rolling out new
features like CSS3 (which are simpler than new VMs).  Do you seriously think
the investment in a new VM would be able to pay for itself?  How long would
it be before it was deployed to a wide enough audience to be usable?

And don't forget that Microsoft already tried this with VBScript.  It was an
utter failure.

-Dom

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