>
> I'm not a parent either, but I suspect that four might be a bit early for
> sticking the kid into a machine


I started programming at age 5 on a Spectrum 48K and no harm came of it
besides the usual BASIC braindamage (no multiline functions on a 48K, only
goto, gosub and return - if I'm wrong someone please pop back to '86 and
tell me).  Though those who know me best might disagree.

>
> On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 4:29 PM, Alexey Zinger <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>> Not having kids of my own, I have little to contribute, except remembering
>> what drew me into what eventually turned into an interest in programming.  I
>> think around that age, I was most enthralled by games (checkers, puzzles),
>> fun brain twisters (Louis Carroll), doing challenging stuff with my hands
>> (working on my bicycle), etc.  All of it relates to the same mindset that
>> programming requires (learning patience, persistence, curiosity, abstract
>> thinking).  So I don't think it's necessary to sit a little kid in front of
>> a monitor right away to get there.  Most of all, as others have said, have
>> fun!
>>
>> Alexey
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* JamesJ <[email protected]>
>> *To:* [email protected]
>> *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2011 7:01 PM
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [The Java Posse] Computing and kids
>>
>> With anything that dad enjoys and wants the kids to enjoy, I share
>> some advice from a golfer.  He started with the objective to make it
>> fun.  He said to start with some playing for short periods on the
>> lawn, or going to hit some balls on the driving range for a short
>> time, with minimal criticizing and afterwards took his kids for
>> ice-cream or some treat.
>>
>> The most important thing is to provide opportunities, but don't let
>> yourself or you kid get upset or stressed, ever.
>>
>> I have kids from 15 down to 8.  I think that for serious programming,
>> 10 to 13 is still pretty early.  They don't have much patience and
>> expect to be able to whip out some polished game in an afternoon that
>> would really take 20 man years.
>>
>> The science fair was a good chance to have some incentive to work on
>> programming and my oldest enjoyed that.
>>
>> I think whatever system you choose, you need to balance what it is
>> teaching, how much you have to do to see results, how much fun it is
>> to encourage continuing work.
>>
>> I have been blown away with the realization of how much you really
>> have to understand to be a decent programmer.  It is a huge
>> curriculum.  Take it in small chunks.
>>
>> At 4, I think the best idea is to just have fun with him.  Play some
>> puzzle games together and lots of hands on open ended building like
>> leggos.  (Save the mindstorms for later, or just get it for your
>> self.)
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