For sure, some of them are going to go the way of the dodo. We've already seen that with Window Eyes. I think the answer to the question with regards to JAWS though lies in the acronym...Job Access with Speech. I don't know how things are in Europe and other parts of the world, but in Canada and the uS, most corporate organisations, and governments, are going to invest in JAWS. They have a distrust of open-source software because they feel that, rather than having its code available being a potential benefit to all, it's a security risk. It's an ongoing debate. Of course when you download NVDA (and other open-source software, like, well, Mozilla Firefox I think), you should get it from a proper source, and not some random website or person. But I suppose a deep study of a program's code could potentially lead to someone finding a backdoor somewhere. The thing is, this happens with expensive, commercial software all the time, too, and I think it's even possible to decompile software, though such a thing is way beyond my technical knowledge.
Anyway, for now, JAWS still seems to have better support for MS Office, so that would probably also be something considered by the professional sectors. -----Original Message----- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell Sent: February 24, 2018 3:28 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser I'm wondering how VFO and other payed screen readers are planning to keep customers, considering the usability and no cost status of NVDA. I'm thinking younger people may choose NVDA or the talking apps on their cell phones. Regarding us old folks, as has been stated here by multiple users, we are growing weary of having to constantly battle the changing inaccessibility of browsers, applications, programs, etc. I, myself, am using my cell phone more and more. I guess we shall see what the future will bring. Maria Campbell lucky1i...@gmail.com "Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!" --St. Francis On 2/24/2018 1:10 PM, Judy wrote: > Mitch, I do agree, at age 64 now I simply don't have the patience > anymore for all this back and forth. (smile) Judy & Libby > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] > On Behalf Of Mitch > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 8:20 PM > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser > > Hi, Nicely summarized and I stipulate that the complexity of meshing > all of this digital dance into a smooth experience must be a daily > challenge but with the avalanche of wide ranging issues exposed in > just one week, it cannot be dismissed that playing Whack A Mole and > What's Behind Door # 3 is becoming a frustration inversely proportional to > the age of the operator. > Mitch > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: JM Casey > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 4:53 PM > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser > > I hear you; sometimes I definitely feel the same. The fact that, > between, for example, VFO and Microsoft, half the time when there's > some kind of update you are crossing your fingers hoping something > won't be broken afterwards, is pretty maddening. > > The reply above yours from David there says "voiceover on the mac". At > first I kind of scoffed at that. I'm not a mac user and probably never will > be. > But here's the thing. As PC users, I think we are given a variety of > options and tools, and that's one of the great things about being a PC > users. I used to access the web through Telnet and a linux shell. The > only browser that would work was lynx and it couldn't display framed > webpages properly. It was a really frustrating experience back then, > for sure. Then, finally, we had Internet Explorer and netscape. Then, > internet Explorer, Firefox, and Chrome. I think the idea of the web > being an entirely universal experience is a nice dream, but still a > dream. All you can do is try to make it as close to a universal > experience as you can. That's actually harder and harder now with the > number of connected devices out there. Often, it's Microsoft that > won't play along. I think we'll probably see more and more people > using Chrome, and that's probably a good thing. Just today I had to > get it up and running again and it was nice to be reminded how fast > and robust it really is. Are things complex? Yeah, definitely. But > these browsers aren't so different from one another that we can't > adapt. We just have to know what tool is appropriate for each job. If > you're a carpenter, you probably won't get very far with just a single > saw in your arsenal, you know? And rest assured, even though > screen-readers do add a certain amount of complexity to things, > sighted people have to deal with this too. Let's be glad we aren't > system administrators (although maybe you are? I don't know)....that > opens a whole new can o' worms, when you've got a network of computers, all > running different software and hardware, and your company expects you to get > them all to play nice with each other. > > Now maybe it's just because I have more time on my hands this year > than I used to, but 90% of the time, I enjoy the challenge and adding > new tools to the arsenal, so to speak. The only thing that's really > making me nervous sometimes is Windows 10 updating and screwing around > with my settings and things. *grins* > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] > On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt > Sent: February 23, 2018 5:03 PM > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser > > I agree that it's necessary to have all three browsers installed, but > this increasing complexity is a little nuts. People are suggesting > that we should also have the two screenreaders, JAWS and NVDA, on > board, which I do. But that means we may need to try six combinations > before we can access certain websites. Then there's the question of which > version of JAWS will work. > > To give an example, a certain website I use is accessible to IE11, but > it moves painfully slowly after the log-in page. Chrome gets to this > page right away, but later there's a critical page on this same > website that Chrome can't even open. > > For a while, I was trying to access this website with Firefox, but > Firefox couldn't locate the edit fields for the username and password > fields, and so obviously I couldn't log in. Then, on a whim, I > switched from JAWS 2018 and 18, which I already need to alternate > between, to JAWS 17. Lo and behold, the edit fields appeared. After > that, Firefox and JAWS 17 seem to move seamlessly through the entire website. > > This is a website that requires logging in to test, which is why I'm > not posting the address. > > The amount of time and distraction involved for screenreader users in > working on the Web lately is getting ludicrous. Maybe VFO's efforts to > work with MS on Edge will bring us back to a single universal browser. > Until then, the lives of screenreader users are complicated. My > ambition is to work as fast on a computer as fast as a non-techy > sighted user, but all this browser/screenreader/version number > switching is an obstacle to fast, distraction-free browsing. I can't > imagine what it's like for a new screenreader user. > > -----Original Message----- > From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] > On Behalf Of Andy Baracco > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 4:23 PM > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser > > I use Chrome and IE 11 but have suspended using Firefox until > accessibility issues are cleared up. > > Andy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Judy Jones" <sonshine...@gmail.com> > To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 12:39 PM > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser > > >> Amen to all that, I also have NVDA, and it seems to get better and better. >> >> Judy >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] >> On Behalf Of Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND >> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 11:54 AM >> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser >> >> I couldn't agree more with having multiple browsers. There are >> certain web pages that just don't work well with a certain browser, >> but will work much better with another. >> >> I have Firefox, Chrome and IE on my PC and use them all depending on >> the circumstance. I also have NVDA in addition to JAWS, for the same > reason. >> The more tools available, the better, in my opinion. >> >> Pam >> >> >> ________________________________________ >> From: JAWS-Users-List [jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] on >> behalf of JM Casey [crystallo...@ca.inter.net] >> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 2:48 PM >> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser >> >> HI. >> >> My primary browser is Firefox and has been for the last few years. I >> also have Chrome on this machine and have used it a little. They both >> work well, but I'd still give the edge (hah) to Firefox. I think >> Chrome support has gotten really good in JAWS 2018, latest build. I >> do not have this. The Firefox interface is a little more like that of >> iE, so you would probably find that switch simpler. But really, >> there's no reason not to have both on your machine. Keep your options open. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] >> On Behalf Of Karen Schrade >> Sent: February 23, 2018 2:43 PM >> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >> Subject: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser >> >> I suspect this may be a lot of personal preference but, if I want to >> switch from IE11 to another browser... >> Of Chrome and Firefox, which works better with jaws? Then, which has >> a smaller learning curve. I'm almost 70 and don't really want to >> change but, some websites I frequent are making it necessary. ARGH! >> Thanks, Karen >> >> >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >> >> >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >> >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >> >> >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
