True--true. Though I'm not exactly sure if we have any sorta moderator there.
Also keep in mind the government can't control everything online for "free enterprice" reasons. On Apr 12, 2011, at 7:42 PM, tim wrote: > But that is just for html, not for all the other languages that are use to > give you that content like, PHP, PYTHON, C#, AND THE LIST GOES ON.... > > At 05:20 PM 4/12/2011, you wrote: >> Yeah. >> I bet if the W3C entered some sort of thing into their declarations for new >> HTML versions--specially now that HTML 5 is going to replace flash, >> perhaps then it would be standard? >> >> Also keep in mind that "pretty code for the eye" is top priority for most >> companies, and accessibility is many times too simple for complex >> visual effects that they have to pull off for >> "surprise!" or "gotya" effects. >> E.G., flashing logos in their media players, >> pop up ads via some form of mice click, etc. >> >> >> Jorge >> >> >> On Apr 12, 2011, at 11:46 AM, tim wrote: >> >> > Well the problem lays with the programmer. The tools are there to make all >> > software and computers useable for those with disabilities. >> > However, those tools are consider extra and use plane functions for >> > buttons and stuff like that. >> > The programmer can still use custom code, but if the accessibility >> > functions are not turned on or used. Then its just pretty code for the eye. >> > When it comes to programming not much is standard and custom is the thing. >> > Also not all accessible code is standard. If it was then wineyes and jaws >> > would both be the same. >> > Apple is the only one that put standards that all software for its >> > platform. Must be useable by voice over. The problem there is they don't >> > turn on those features unless asked, but they are there to meet the >> > requirements. >> > >> > At 11:29 AM 4/12/2011, you wrote: >> >> yeah, i can see that. but why are there so *many* Flash pages on the Web >> >> that aren't accessibly coded? And the BBC prides itself on accessibility. >> >> (or should I say, prided? After all, their chatter is now almost all >> >> about cutbacks.) >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "tim" <z200...@gmail.com> >> >> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 4:04 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Website problem, New BBC iPlayer >> >> >> >> >> >>> Its working with the flash as its suppose to. >> >>> However, the new page given has flash not using accessibility. They just >> >>> left it out or someone else did the coding. >> >>> >> >>> At 10:33 AM 4/12/2011, you wrote: >> >>>> There are unlabbelled buttons in the flash content, which JAWS12 sees. >> >>>> Mine called the Play button unlabelled 1 button, and if I press that to >> >>>> pause it becomes unlabelled 2 button. JAWS11 may not be working well >> >>>> enough with this flash content, but in any case it is or appears to be >> >>>> rather unsatisfactory so far. >> >>>> >> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy Cyr" <delig...@aei.ca> >> >>>> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> >> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 2:10 PM >> >>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Website problem, New BBC iPlayer >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>> Good day, >> >>>>> My flash is enabled, and it sounds to me as though you are describing >> >>>>> the older, accessible consol which I never had a moments problem with >> >>>>> and would like to continue using. The new one is NOT! like that. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I am using Jaws 11, and my problems began Sunday night,, ... I use the >> >>>>> BBC site for one reason or another at least six days a week and have >> >>>>> for over five years, so please believe me this is recent. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> If they work correctly the two links below should take you to the two >> >>>>> different listen again pages they are now presenting. The first is >> >>>>> the old accessible page, the second the new page where I have not been >> >>>>> able to find the buttons that are still there, somewhere. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/b006qj9z/console >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b00zzz1y >> >>>>> >> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>>>>> From: Flor Lynch >> >>>>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 7:40 AM >> >>>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Website problem, New BBC iPlayer >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> You need to have flash enabled, as the page has a lot of that. the >> >>>>> buttons are then read by JAWS. there is the Play/pause button which >> >>>>> does >> >>>>> what it says. The timeline button allows you to jump by percentage >> >>>>> increments, the percentage being of the programme's length. There is >> >>>>> also a volume adjust button, and an Adobe Flash popout button. You >> >>>>> didn't say which version of JAWS you're using. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>>>>> From: "Joy Cyr" <delig...@aei.ca> >> >>>>> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> >> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 6:28 AM >> >>>>> Subject: [JAWS-Users] Website problem, New BBC iPlayer >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> Good day, >> >>>>>> Has anyone come across the new (and supposedly improved) iPlayer that >> >>>>>> the BBC uses to play their radio shows online? The "old" one uploaded >> >>>>>> and showed a simple consol that was easy for Jaws to navigate. This >> >>>>>> new one is displaying a page filled with links, graphics and text. I >> >>>>>> had someone sighted take a look and the vital buttons are still there, >> >>>>>> and have the same labels: play/pause, volume and timeline, but Jaws >> >>>>>> can't find/see them with either cursor. Could this possibly be a Jaws >> >>>>>> setting I need to change? Or is there a work around that will let me >> >>>>>> find them? Because not being able to hit pause during a three hour >> >>>>>> show is a real problem. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> If anyone has any help or suggestions to offer I'd be very >> >>>>>> appreciative, >> >>>>>> Yours sincerely, >> >>>>>> Joy >> >>>>>> Please take a few moments to browse and enjoy >> >>>>>> my original artwork at: >> >>>>>> www.tigerfeathers.ca >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> >>>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> >>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >> >>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> >>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> >>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> >>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >> >> >> >> >> >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >> > >> > >> > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >> >> >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
