I said he would be allowed back on if he apologies to the list and followed the list guidelines. Some of his correspondence is included in this message if anybody wants to read it. If not just hit delete. At the very least read his apology. I don't like having to play the heavy but that's the job list owners assume when we put ourselves out there and start such things. Mr. Patterson's message follows: David Ferrin [email protected] Always be yourself because the people that matter don't mind, and the ones that mind don't matter. From: Gary Patterson [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 4:14 PM To: 'David Ferrin' Subject: RE: my name is banned from this list I apologize for sending a "rude" message to the JAWS list. Gary Patterson From: David Ferrin [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 11:57 AM To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: RE: my name is banned from this list Nobody on the list made such a statement. I told you it was my call right down the line. You see we play the heavy's so we get all of the grief. That way nobody else takes the fall. Like I said earlier if you are willing to just offer a general apology and follow the guidelines I will put you back on the list. I just want peace in our time. If you don't want back on that's your choice. Just remember not everybody is a script writer and as such not as skillful as you are. Your other message mentions the sponcers of the list, and also you wish to state your case. By all means state it. Just please stop cluttering up my inbox. David Ferrin [email protected] Always be yourself because the people that matter don't mind, and the ones that mind don't matter. From: Gary Patterson [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 11:42 AM To: 'David Ferrin' Subject: RE: my name is banned from this list I have been informed that someone wanted me banned from the JAWS user list. I will offer an apology but for what I do not know. I think the person who did this deed identify themselves to me and/or the list. Someone sneaking behind my back acuseing me of some unknown deed is not showing very good character. At this point, the party will have to contact me directly since I am, at this point, am banned from the list. Gary Patterson From: David Ferrin [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 6:42 AM To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: RE: my name is banned from this list Unfortunately not everybody has the skills for doing their own research like we have ourselves. I admit myself it does get tiring when people seem to ask endless questions but that is how the learning process begins. Many such people over the years have started out like that but have turned in to productive computer users in their own right. Not everybody is going to do that obviously and for those people we do have to try and be considerate. If there is a time when somebody has to be the heavy then that falls to me or my team leaving people like you and other list members in the clear. I would have to double check the archives to find out who the lady is but the fact is it was my call to remove you. Nothing personal you understand, it is just that I have been on lists where things like that are permitted and often times once that bottle is opened the genie won't go back in. In short since it is so early just offer an apology to the list in general and let me and my people do our jobs so life can move on. Obviously you benefit from the list or you wouldn't care so much about getting back on it.
David Ferrin [email protected] Always be yourself because the people that matter don't mind, and the ones that mind don't matter. From: Gary Patterson [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 12:10 AM To: 'David Ferrin' Subject: RE: my name is banned from this list I will apologize if I know who and my rude treatment. Who thought I was rude? How was I rude? If it were this lady that was sending out messages asking for many many help questions, I will have to think about that to apologize. If it is her, I believe it is rude for someone who asks probably 20 questions day after day and not attempting to do any research herself. So who is it? If she thinks I was rude, I'm not sure that she deserves an apology. Isn't rude for someone to ask many many questions for each little step to develop her web site. If this is permissible, let me know what you think. Questions are welcome but enough is enough as far as I am concerned. Everything I have learned is mainly through research and attempts to solve the problems. So once again, who is this person and how was I rude to her? Gary Patterson From: David Ferrin [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 9:21 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: RE: my name is banned from this list If memory serves you were especially rude to a young lady. If you are willing to apologies to her then I wouldn't have a problem allowing you back on. It's up to you. David Ferrin A complex system that does not work is invariably found to have evolved from a simpler system that worked perfectly. From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gary Patterson Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 5:36 PM To: [email protected] Subject: my name is banned from this list I wrote you a week ago asking that I be permitted to subscribe to the JAWS user list. I once again submitted the request today. The same result happened today. I know of no reason that I be banned from this list. I have not read the posts from this list in a while, so I couldn't have done anything to support this action. If you have evidence of the contrary, let me know. It's probably a year or more since I last posted to this list. Hopefully you will not ignore my request. Gary Patterson For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
