--- Julian Gosnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >
So,
> 
> Are you saying that we should simply support both -
> but not a third strategy which somehow supports
> sandboxing AND optimised intra-container calls ?
> 
> 1. Serialised. intra-vm calls should cause a
> suitable
> WARNING - not an ERROR.
> 
> 2. I believe that we need a third strategy.
> 
> This is not the 'ex-cathedra' pronouncement that I
> was
> hoping someone else would make, I haven't given it
> enough thought - but it might be a start.
> 
> I think, after a good 5 mins deep consideration,
> that
> the App server should provide the following classes
> to
> a SANDBOXED application.
> 
> 1. J2SE x.x
> 2. J2EE y.y
> 3. Common local infrastructure
> 
> Since the app is sandboxed, it should be able to
> override these with it's own version.
> 
> I guess if you want your own version of JAXP then
> you
> should probably have to include your own
> implementation as well.

Oops - this should read:

I guess if you want your own implementation of JAXP,
then you should probably have to reinclude the JAXP
api itself....

> 
> Should the app-server not try, even in this
> situation,
> to optimise intra-container calls ?
> 
> Jules
> 
>  --- Rickard Öberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >
> Julian Gosnell wrote:
> > 
> > > Your just putting the onus on the Application
> > > programmer to work around shortcomings in the
> > Server -
> > > I think.....
> > 
> > 
> > Yes, the app programmer needs to know about
> > classloading. Bug.. 
> > feature.. bug... feature.. which'll it be? :-)
> > 
> > On the one hand, having straight-forward
> > classloading makes it easy to 
> > develop a web-app. On the other hand, having
> > sandboxed classloading 
> > makes the web-app more self-contained and
> portable,
> > since they don't 
> > rely on the surrounding server to provide any of
> its
> > classes.
> > 
> > > If you do that with Jetty in stand-alone,
> > compliant
> > > mode - you will simply find you are using the
> JAXP
> > > that Jetty loaded to parse it's own XML
> > configuration
> > > files.
> > 
> > 
> > Yes, the straight-forward mode.
> > 
> > 
> > > If you do it with Jetty in embedded,
> non-compliant
> > > mode - you will find isAssignableFrom() fails.
> > 
> > 
> > Yup, the more complex and portable case.
> > 
> > /Rickard
> > 
> > -- 
> > Rickard Öberg
> >  
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