The situation has been taken care of, the brainfood guys removed from this
list,

JBoss-dev is for serious contributors and serious technical discussion, I
hate waking up and finding 20 mails of flames talking about forking JBoss. I
am not going to provide a forum for this on my own lists.

I thank all of you for your unanimous response and support, let's keep on
kicking some ass, we are there, back to work

marcf


|-----Original Message-----
|From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dain
|Sundstrom
|Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 2:36 AM
|To: 'Adam Heath'; Bill Burke
|Cc: Jboss-Development@Lists. Sourceforge. Net
|Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] time is up, where is adam heath?
|
|
|Adam,
|
|The reason people don't remember this is because jboss is so easy to deploy
|already that they feel a deb is unecessary.  So your contribution is not
|highly valued, and not remembered.
|
|-dain
|
|> -----Original Message-----
|> From: Adam Heath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
|> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 1:21 AM
|> To: Bill Burke
|> Cc: Adam Heath; Jboss-Development@Lists. Sourceforge. Net
|> Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] time is up, where is adam heath?
|>
|>
|> On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, Bill Burke wrote:
|>
|> > Didn't see your patch, sorry....Well, I actualy couldn't
|> find it after
|> > looking a little bit.
|>
|> Message-ID:
|> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
|> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 14:07:42 -0600 (CST)
|> Subject: [PATCH]: [JBoss-dev] can't build jboss from cvs
|>
|> The above email patches build.xml, only.  It does what I
|> need, to split the
|> tarballs/zips up.
|>
|> Also, another patch I sent, earlier, contains some
|> miscellaneous patches.
|>
|> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
|> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 01:24:56 -0600 (CST)
|> Subject: [JBoss-dev] misc patches needed to make .deb for debian
|>
|> > Sorry if the JBoss community is not what you're used to.
|> It works for us.
|> > I am now integrating JBoss into a 2nd production system at
|> a 2nd company,
|> > with much success, and will be moving onto a 3rd in
|> January..  The JBoss
|> > community is doing something right.  I know from experience.
|>
|> You have worked at 2 different companies, or did they hire
|> you as a consultant
|> just to do this integration(not meaning to sound harsh, just being
|> inquistive).
|>
|> > Yes.  Who the hell is Adam Heath anyways?  (Then you could
|> ask, who the hell
|> > is Bill Burke? :)
|>
|> Fair 'nuf.  :)
|>
|> > Don't know what business world you live in, but respect is
|> usually earned
|> > not given.  Sure credentials get you noticed, but after
|> that you have to
|> > earn the respect of your peers.  And yes, we are your
|> peers.  Only results
|> > and money talk in the business world.  Unless you're a
|> commie.  I thought we
|> > purged you commies back in the '50s?
|>
|> I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but true believers in the
|> free software
|> doctrine could be compared to commies, in theory.
|>
|> > It doesn't work like that here.  Somebody correct me, but,
|> IMHO, we have a
|> > meritocracy here.  You get what you give.
|>
|> Hmm.  new word alert.  scanning dictionary.com...
|>
|> I've shown ability.  Yet, it seems to be ignored, and the
|> only focus is on my,
|> at times, harsh mails.  Hmm, that description doesn't seem to apply.
|>
|> > Well, honestly, from the emails I've read, didn't sound
|> like you were
|> > contributing any expertise, but rather voicing complaints.
|>
|> Go read again.  Jason Dillon and I had quite a discussion,
|> with both sides
|> learning about the other.
|>
|> > IMHO, I'd rather work with somebody that is blunt.  We
|> don't have time to
|> > pussyfoot around here.
|>
|> I'd rather work with someone who is sharp. :)
|>
|> > > How is one supposed to get started with jboss?  Where is
|> the voluminous
|> > > documentation on how to start understanding the code, so
|> one can start
|> > > improving the software?
|> >
|> > If you pay the $9.99, there you go ;-)  Hmmm, I've never had trouble
|> > figuring out how to contribute.....
|>
|> I haven't had troubvle figuring out how, it's just I haven't
|> been motivated to
|> do so.  When I have tried to contribute, it's been ignored,
|> or blasted for
|> being moronic.  That doesn't make me want to continue.
|>
|> > > Is jboss-dev not a user list?  Isn't discussion on this list a
|> > > form of giving
|> > > back?
|> >
|> > jboss-dev is not a user list.  It is a jboss contributor list.
|>
|> So, one can't answer questions on jboss-dev, and be
|> considering giving back to
|> the community?  After all, jboss has a community of
|> developers, and if I can
|> answer some other developer's question, we all benefit.
|>
|> > Again, you get what you give.  You're in a sea of good
|> developers here.  You
|> > would cringe in fear at some of our resumes.  You have to
|> build trust and
|> > respect in this community.  We have all already done it and
|> you're not doing
|> > a good job of it so far.
|>
|> I have given.  Yet it's been ignored.
|>
|> Also, on a side note, I asked several mails ago(not this
|> thread), for a nice,
|> 80 char by 3-5 line description of jboss.  A nice, easy to understand
|> description, not filled with too many acronyms and buzz
|> phrases.  The content
|> on the jboss website is a little wordy for me to try and
|> condense(I've never
|> been good at marketing).
|>
|> Also, as to the status of the Debianization:  I am close to
|> making a public,
|> as it were, release.  I've switched both Ean an another
|> internal developer to
|> using my debs.  I'm currently working on automatic postgres
|> installation/configuration(few minor tweaks left).  apt-get
|> install jboss
|> jboss-jdbc-postgresql, and you'll have a PostgresDS, HypersonicDS, and
|> DefaultDS(that uses postgresql).  Without
|> jboss-jdbc-postgresql installed,
|> DefaultDS will use hypersonic.
|>
|> It's all rather slick.  I haven't released publically,
|> because as I tweak
|> stuff, upgrades between my internal versions might not work,
|> so I needed to
|> keep a tight reign on the files.  Soon, however, soon.
|>
|>
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