(My apologies for butting in here)

I think this is a fantastic idea. I've set up a number of Wiki's for
past clients and for my current employer. They really help pull
important stuff out of e-mail and offline documents and put it where
it's accessible to everyone. 

There are *numerous* Wiki clones. I looked at all of them about 2 years
ago. The one which I recommend is called "Twiki" ( http://twiki.org ).
It features, among other things, the ability to automatically track
revisions of pages and file attachments. It has a "Web Notify" feature
where you can get a periodic e-mail summarizing all changes to the Wiki.
It's also actively being worked on, which is something that is not true
for most of the Wiki clones out there.

BTW, I'd be happy to help with this effort if help is needed or desired.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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fleury
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 6:27 AM
To: Jeff Tulley; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] RE: [JBoss-user] JBOSS 3.x FINAL


yes,

david pitched it at boston, and i already said that this would be
interesting as part of the jboss professional forums.  andreas is
working on these, it weeds out the non professional people with a small
fee that makes sure you are not just cruising by and sending your 'i
can't get my bean to run' and keeps it high quality.  then we could
actually assign someone from the group to maitain it for pay and that
would probably work.

more on that as soon as we can

marcf

|-----Original Message-----
|From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jeff

|Tulley
|Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 8:52 PM
|To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] RE: [JBoss-user] JBOSS 3.x FINAL
|
|
|What would it take to get a wiki up and running?  I think that is a 
|very good idea.  It is worth experimenting with, anyway.  Something 
|like that is incremental and if the right categories were created, 
|people would have a place to quickly contribute without having to be a 
|committer.  I like the idea.  Then some of that could probably be 
|organized and funnelled into a formal doc, if we decide it would be 
|better, but even if that never happened, what the heck, it would still 
|be pretty good.
|
|Jeff Tulley  ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
|(801)861-5322
|Novell, Inc., the leading provider of Net business solutions 
|http://www.novell.com
|>>> David Jencks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 03/14/02 18:12 PM 
|>>> >>>
|On 2002.03.14 19:11:13 -0500 Mac Rinehart wrote:
|
|For what its worth I think the best format for something like this 
|would be a wiki, so that updating it doesn't need to involve cvs 
|commits and rebuilding the website.  Ideal would be a version 
|controlled j2ee wiki running in jboss/jetty;-)  Marc hasn't been 
|thrilled yet with this idea (user howto wiki), but probably if someone 
|made it happen his attitude might change.
|
|
|Thanks!
|david jencks
|>
|> Mac Rinehart, President
|> Sextant Technology Consulting, Inc
|>
|> Legal stuff: SEXTANT TECHNOLOGY CONSULTING is a trademark of Sextant 
|> Technology Consulting, Inc. Any agreement to render services by Mac 
|> Rinehart and/or Sextant Technology Consulting, Inc. is contingent 
|> upon an agreement
|> in writing and signed by all interested parties.
|>
|>
|> -----Original Message-----
|> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
|David
|> Jencks
|> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 3:22 PM
|> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|> Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] RE: [JBoss-user] JBOSS 3.x FINAL
|>
|>
|> Ummm....
|> In your previous post you wrote
|> "I've seen a lot of
|> complaints
|> in the forums regarding the same issues in the documentation for sale
|-
|> probably the only reason I haven't laid down my 10 spot yet. " ...
|> "And if I were going to pay for
|> documentation, I don't want a print document that's going to be out
of
|> date
|> in two weeks. "
|>
|> A couple of minutes of investigation would have revealed that the for
|pay
|> 2.4.4 documentation you are declining to buy so as to, perhaps, show
|your
|> support of JBoss and encourage the developers to write more 
|> documentation, is the exact same book that you are applauding at 
|> Amazon:
|>
|> http://www.jboss.org/doco.jsp
|>
|> "In order to support the development of JBoss and ensure that the 
|> documentation remains up to date, we offer a PDF version of the JBoss

|> book to be published by SAMS publishing. "
|>
|> Following the link also brings you to the Comperehensive 
|> Documentation Subscription at the very top of the page, really hard 
|> to miss.
|>
|> david jencks
|>
|> On 2002.03.14 17:50:27 -0500 Mac Rinehart wrote:
|> > Another reason for different versions of the documentation for
|> different
|> > releases. The fact is that some people - particularly risk 
|> > conscious corporate users - will continue to use 2.4 and not jump 
|> > to 3.0 until another rev or two are out the door.
|> >
|> > Regarding Open source friendly tech writers - I think that could
|work,
|> > but
|> > it's got to take a little formal organization from the inside too. 
|> > I
|> can
|> > see
|> > tech writers donating their writing services, but they probably
|would
|> > like
|> > to have some established procedures for how to access information,
|> style
|> > conventions and the like. I see that they sort of information is 
|> > available for developers, I haven't seen it for tech writers (which

|> > doesn't
|mean
|> > much
|> > since I've only been following things actively for a couple of
|weeks).
|> >
|> > I would provide some tech writing services pro-bono, but
|establishing a
|> > procedure for getting the documentation in place is something that
|> takes
|> > a
|> > little organization. What's the status on JBoss Group's process for

|> > developing administration and user documentation?
|> >
|> > And BTW, this seems to be a good opportunity for plugging "JBoss 
|> > Administration & Development", coming out on March 22 and doing
|> excellent
|> > on
|> > sales at Amazon already! Congrats. How does the book do in terms of

|> > covering version 3?
|> >
|> >
|> > Mac Rinehart, President
|> > Sextant Technology Consulting, Inc
|> >
|> > Legal stuff: SEXTANT TECHNOLOGY CONSULTING is a trademark of 
|> > Sextant Technology Consulting, Inc. Any agreement to render 
|> > services by Mac Rinehart and/or Sextant Technology Consulting, Inc.

|> > is contingent upon an agreement
|> > in writing and signed by all interested parties.
|> >
|> >
|> > -----Original Message-----
|> > From: David Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
|> > Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 1:42 PM
|> > To: Mac Rinehart
|> > Cc: Jboss-Development@Lists. Sourceforge. Net; Jboss-User@Lists. 
|> > Sourceforge. Net
|> > Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] RE: [JBoss-user] JBOSS 3.x FINAL
|> >
|> >
|> > It doesn't always lag - sometimes it's too eager!  Example: I had a

|> > gripe that 2.4 documentation started disappering off the web site,
|> being
|> > replaced with 3.0 documentation when 3.0 was only alpha.  I think
|that
|> > the 2.4 docs should stay available online - at least until 3.x goes

|> > final.
|> >
|> > Mac Rinehart wrote:
|> > > The free user documentation is only moderately useful, and lags 
|> > > behind development on a number of issues.
|> >
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