The problem with writing build components in Java is that the maintenece process is slow and difficult, and only a select few can currently perform this.
Perhaps if the build components were made into a included module this would different... I am undescided as of yet to which is better/easier/simpiler/faster. --jason On Thu, 19 Sep 2002, Matt Munz wrote: > Jason, > > > I have > > been thinking about using <script> todo most of the complicated stuff, > > deal with the includes and make the module integration stuff work > > better. > > FYI, an alternative to using javascript (or another scripting language) in > your XML to provide complex ant-based algorithms is to write part or all of > the build system in java. I have done this before and it works quite well. > > FWIW, I find ANT XML to be a bit limiting, and I don't see the comparative > advantage of a scripting language (over java) in this case. If you're > writing your app in java, and your build system engine uses java, why not > write the build system in java too? Every function in ANT can be called > programmatically from java. Doing so allows one to avoid the expressive > limitations of XML. I know that this is an atypical approach, and I'm not > suggesting you use it -- I just want to point out that there are > alternatives to adding another language to the build system. > > - Matt > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jason > Dillon > Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 1:29 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] Build System... any ideas > > > > I think we should develop a new custom task to initialize the > properties > > and classpaths for the thirdparty packages. I wrote a hack to check > > that directories are available before calling the task that declares > the > > classpath. We could write a task that takes the dir name properties > to > > set and paths to create, or we could load an xml file from the > > thirdparty directory that had the above. I think either would be > easier > > to understand. Another possibility would be to make use of the script > > task. > > I had looked into this, making a custom task, but dropped it... why... I > can't remember. > > I think that making use of the script task would be a good idea. I have > been thinking about using <script> todo most of the complicated stuff, > deal with the includes and make the module integration stuff work > better. This would leave Ant todo what it is good at... building a > simple module. > > I think this is the way to go, but have not really decided a concrete > direction for it yet. > > I also think that we could probably make use of some of the other Ant > based tools out there... though I think that no matter what we will have > to write some custom bits to make it work as we want and need. > > > > Other then that I think we should use the parallel task in the > testsuite > > to speed up the xdoclet and jar tasks. I'm not sure if it would really > > speed it up but doing a one-test takes forever because of the xdoclet > > tasks. Also the default test suite takes so long that no one runs it > > anymore and most have created "smaller" sub suites, but I don't think > > that is a build system problem. > > David and I talked about this on the way back from Tahoe. I would like > to revisit the entire TestSuite, putting a testsuite in each module, > which would perform Unit tests for components and parts of components > for that module alone. Then the jboss/testsuite would be an integration > testsuite. > > This way, if you are working on bits from the cluster module, you can > write simple tests to validate your component and run the tests quickly. > Then when you are satisfied, you can write an integration test, which > would actual test a real component inside of a JBoss instance. > > This will get us more coverage, but will also encourage developers to > make smaller, simpler tests for stuff and make it more likely they will > run them, as it won't take forever. > > Also, on the subject of build systems and testsuites, I have been toying > with the idea of allow Java and Jython tests to be run together. Using > Jython it will be faster to throw together small and functional tests > with much less code and a lot less trouble. We would still need Java > tests to run stuff that is type dependant, but the two could live > together happy. > > The build system overhaul is a dependency of this I believe. > > I have been planning on doing all of the above... just I haven't had the > time to make any progress. Also I really want to finish the basic > command line console framework. > > Fuck, I need my boss to stop making me work on their lame ass projects. > Who cares about that shit really... bah! > > --jason > > > > -dain > > > > Jason Dillon wrote: > > > Can I get anyone who knows anything about Ant based build systems > > > (extensions, helpers, whatever) to send me some feedback on both > > > positive and negative experiences they have had. > > > > > > It is becoming very apparent that we need to overhaul the build > system > > > to meet the current and future needs. > > > > > > I would appreciate any input you have. > > > > > > --jason > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.NET email is sponsored by: AMD - Your access to the experts > > on Hammer Technology! Open Source & Linux Developers, register now > > for the AMD Developer Symposium. 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