> Is this a good idea? Should we look at it for 4.0? It makes sense to me. The closer a client environment models the server, the better, IMO. Of course, the client should be as complex as necessary and no more, etc. Things are getting more distributed all the time...
>> could I end up with 2 kernels in the same VM? Just a thought.. Are we still talking about client-server? I thought that by definition, the client is in a separate VM, if not a separate physical machine... - Matt -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:jboss-development-admin@;lists.sourceforge.net]On Behalf Of Dain Sundstrom Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 3:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] JMX on the client side? Yep, these are the technical issues. We should be able to code around them, but it may be challenging. I am really interested in what everyone else thinks. Is this a good idea? Should we look at it for 4.0? -dain James Higginbotham wrote: > That would be interesting. I've really wanted to put together a rich > client framework using jboss as the kernel for adding services and > hotdeploying client functionality, but haven't had the time. Just > something to think about: what happens if you do this and I want my app > to start a kernel - what sort of classloader implications are there - > could I end up with 2 kernels in the same VM? Just a thought.. > > This would rock! > James > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Dain Sundstrom [mailto:dain@;daingroup.com] >>Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 11:25 AM >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] JMX on the client side? >> >> >>Yes that is exactly what I am suggesting. When you first contact the >>JBoss server we start an MBeanServer if non is available. I think we >>may have problems if we use features specific to the JBoss JMX code >>(like not having huge bugs), but that is a discussion for another day. >> >>-dain >> >>James Higginbotham wrote: >> >>>Interesting.. Are you guys talking about a small JMX >> >>container on the >> >>>client invoker side? Or something else? >>> >>> >>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: David Jencks [mailto:davidjencks@;directvinternet.com] >>>>Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 10:12 PM >>>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] JMX on the client side? >>>> >>>> >>>>+1000 >>>> >>>>This will greatly simplify many things, such as the trunk >>>>invoker client. >>>> >>>>I'd like to suggest that we also consider basing >>>>UserTransaction on a transaction manager instance on the >>>>client: this would allow UserTransaction to use the same >>>>propagation mechanism as distributed transactions (shipping >>>>xids). Again, this would be easy with jmx on the client. >>>>Setting everything up without jmx would be considerably more >>>>difficult. >>>> >>>>david jencks >>>> >>>>On 2002.11.07 22:33:57 -0500 Dain Sundstrom wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>Why don't we require jmx on the client side? >>>>> >>>>>I bet it takes almost no memory and it has a small jar >>>> >>size. If do >> >>>>>require it on the client side, we can reuse all the >>>> >>services we are >> >>>>>building on the server, like a jcache mbean. It would also simply >>>>>server to client messages, which will be used for cache >>>> >>>>invalidations >>>> >>>> >>>>>and jms messages. This is because we can reuse the invoker >>>>>architecture. There will still be a problem with socket >>>> >>>>back channels >>>> >>>> >>>>>to clients on the other side of a firewall, but we would >>>> >>>>get a ton of >>>> >>>> >>>>>reuse and simplification. >>>>> >>>>>-dain >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>This sf.net email is sponsored by: See the NEW Palm >>>>>Tungsten T handheld. 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