Anybody want to take this on? Could be an interesting project. I think the idea has merit Dain. Great thought.
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Bill Burke Chief Architect JBoss Group, LLC XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bill > Burke > Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 3:26 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] JNuke dev > > > Its a good idea. Anybody want to implement this? JBossScript we can call > it. > > Bill > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dain > > Sundstrom > > Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 2:16 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] JNuke dev > > > > > > Bill, > > > > This reminds me of an I deal I has last night (couldn't sleep). I was > > thinking of the script based MBean support Sacha added, and I thought > > can we make plain old java work like a scripting language. Here is > > what I came up with: > > + The user writes a class BlahService.java > > + This source file is places in our deployment directory > > + We run Xdoclet on it to generate the MBean deployment descriptor > > + We compile the java file > > + Deploy > > > > Java as a scripting language. > > > > What do you think? > > > > -dain > > > > On Tuesday, January 14, 2003, at 12:50 PM, Bill Burke wrote: > > > > > The only negative comment I have in using JMX is that the PHP > > > community may > > > have a tough time switching over to Nukes on JBoss if you have to have > > > a > > > package structure like a SAR or a WAR. I hate to say it, but does it > > > need > > > to be "dumbed-down" for the PHP community? This type of community > > > needs to > > > be able to edit a JSP and immediately see the change on the webserver. > > > Is > > > it possible to be all JSP based for themes, modules and blocks? You > > > could > > > use a URL fragement and JSP:Include to decide what theme to use. > > > > > > Just a thought. Maybe JMX and such is the way to go. Just want to > > > give you > > > something to think about. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > > >> julien viet > > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 11:31 AM > > >> To: SourceForge.net > > >> Subject: [JBoss-dev] JNuke dev > > >> > > >> > > >> hi folks, > > >> > > >> JNuke adventure has started. > > >> After analysis of PostNuke I've began the development, still early > > >> though. > > >> > > >> I keep everything that's good in PostNuke and throw all the shit > > >> away : > > >> > > >> modules, blocks, permissions system, url system and themes. > > >> > > >> JMX is used for PostNuke components : themes, > > >> modules and blocks are all JMX mbeans. Here are my reasons : > > >> > > >> A : general > > >> > > >> 1.we need a component structure, why not JMX ? after all > > >> another forum say that's lightweight. > > >> > > >> 2.theses components do not have to scale, i.e the number of modules, > > >> blocks and themes is very small. > > >> > > >> B : for modules > > >> > > >> 1.Ability to deploy/undeploy when application is running. > > >> > > >> 2.It's easy to deploy additional modules as a separate > deployment and > > >> have them register in the same registry. > > >> > > >> 3.PostNuke is all about invoking module functions. > > >> Url like index.php?module=User&op=register means > > >> that the PN must call the method register on module User. > > >> For me that means that the servlet retrieves the mbean > > >> under the name jnuke:publicmodules:name=User > > >> and invokes the operation register(). > > >> > > >> 4.When a module is installed and configured it plug > > >> block mbeans in the JMX. > > >> > > >> C : for blocks, same reasons as above except 3 and 4 > > >> as invocation is typed for 3. > > >> > > >> D : for themes, same reasons as above except 3 and 4 > > >> as invocation is typed for 3. > > >> > > >> > > >> EJB are used for the model : > > >> > > >> UserEJB, GroupEJB, UserPermissionEJB, UserGroupEJB will > > >> be CMP 2.0 beans. We'll use local invocations and same trick > > >> as in forum to make them faster. Plus more beans. > > >> > > >> Each module is made of : > > >> > > >> 1.ModuleMBean : is the module itself, does not provide > > >> fucntionnalities, > > >> it's used to manager the PublicModule. Main operations are > lifecycle > > >> (initialize, activate, unactivate, uninitialize) > > >> > > >> 2.PublicModuleMBean : is created when ModuleMBean activates and is > > >> responsible for serving requests. The MBean is dynamic and > > >> operations > > >> with no arguments and no returns are served. > > >> > > >> It's up to the module to do as he wants : if he wants MVC > it can, it > > >> it wants to mix HTML and code, it can. First modules won't be MVC > > >> as they simply don't need. > > >> > > >> It's up to the model to have the persistence mecanisms it wants. > > >> First > > >> modules will use EJB. With lifecycle operations, each module can > > >> install > > >> itself, for instance : > > >> > > >> a ModuleMBean is plugged : > > >> 1.module configuration, setup of variables > > >> 2.initialize : module can creates table, deploy EJB, plugs block. > > >> 3.activate : module > > >> then go to block admin and creates instances of blocks (if module > > >> use blocks), display them on the page. > > >> > > >> Each block is made of : > > >> > > >> 1.BlockMBean : manages BlockInstanceMBean. > > >> 2.BlockInstanceMBean : is a block instance, it contains a title > > >> and a position > > >> on web page + 3 operations : display(), edit(), update(). > > >> display() : displays the block instance > > >> edit() : used to edit the block in block administration > > >> update() : used to upate the block in block admin > > >> > > >> Each them is made of various callbacks that displays HTML on the > > >> page. > > >> It has to provide location of files like css, gifs, etc... > > >> THe first them I did is made of a servlet that register to JMX > > >> and the doGet operation serves the files. It's default theme. > > >> To make the thing simpler, it will be possible to make > theme with JSP > > >> because I want to keep post nuke spirit. > > >> > > >> Ideally, even Module and Blocks could be made as JSP of things > > >> like that, that keeps > > >> PHP easy to do spirit. > > >> > > >> I did not thought a lot about permissions. In PostNuke, each > > >> module is responsible > > >> for checking security. I know that could be done with AOP but I > > >> don't know if it's > > >> gonna now, later or never :-) > > >> > > >> One problem is the configuration persistence. I don't know how > > >> our JMX implementation > > >> is far there. But if there is a restart, all config must be > > >> re-done. JMX persistence > > >> will save us there. Even though it's plain file and not JDBC. > > >> > > >> I will check out later (now it's a true mess), but I can say what > > >> works : > > >> Themes + default theme is done > > >> block > > >> modules and module invocation. > > >> That means that yes, it displays me something that's nice to watch > > >> and I can invoke some operations although it's very early. > > >> > > >> So now, I am going back to code because time matters. > > >> > > >> julien > > >> > > >> ___________________________________________________________ > > >> Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse @yahoo.fr gratuite et en frangais ! > > >> Yahoo! Mail : http://fr.mail.yahoo.com > > >> > > >> > > >> ------------------------------------------------------- > > >> This SF.NET email is sponsored by: FREE SSL Guide from Thawte > > >> are you planning your Web Server Security? 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