Hi,
Kenneth Topp wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Isn't the database the perfect place for a j2ee container? That was my
> impression, just starting to work with it. When the books cover the
I think Greg's (well taken) point is that Oracle wants us all to use it's
*custom* ejb extensions in its *own* implementation (and interpretation) of
the ejb spec so we all get hooked into that stuff forever. I don't think
Greg was saying that we should not put ejb in front of the database, because
that is precisely where it is supposed to go. He's just saying 'watch out
for those nasty little add ins that vendor xyz uses to make their server
non-ejb compliant and that jam up up when you need to port to abc's server.'
If that is what he was saying then I completely agree.
> latest standard, the software supports the latest minus one, and people
> are deploying latest minus two, I understand when people have issues with
> j2ee (ejb in particular). If it moves that fast, it needed to, no? That
> is why I discount people saying it _the_ thing. That being said, I do
> think it's the right direction (i'm not a naysayer ;).
That's the way it's been for a few decades... They sell books and magazines
by creating the perception that you are behind times and need to catch up.
However, I believe the guys creating jboss are using jdk 1.3, not because it
is new and they feel left behind, but because it adds some awesome
opportunities to simplify the server architecture and simplify the
developer's, packager's, and consumer's roll. And frankly I would prefer a
quickly moving ejb spec as opposed to the 2 years or so that people waited
for COM+ to show up ;-) With jboss and other open source servers we are
going to be able to use whatever level of spec we *need* to use since the
upgrade path with be much less painful.
>
> In particular, I've heard much about bmp vs cmp, and that no one is doing
> cmp right. I haven't done much with ejb, except try to understand it, but
> am interested in peoples perspective (how persistence will work best, and
> where the container will end up).
Let us know.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kenneth Topp
Cheers,
Vaughn
>
> On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, Greg Pierce wrote:
>
> > Jeremy I'm not sure how much you've looked around, but you may want to
look
> > at Orion if you're looking for something thats more affordable and is
more
> > featured as a commercial product. I cringe at the idea of using a
databases
> > vendors internally developed appserver - I've been fighting this on my
end
> > on a project I'm interested in. Sure its nice to say 'well the database
> > supports that', but just as with anything else once you go down that
dark
> > road there is usually no coming back from the embedding of LOTS of
> > proprietary code into your system. I think Oracle makes a good database,
but
> > their tools and support systems are of the devil :)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jeremy Clymer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 2:51 PM
> > To: jBoss
> > Subject: RE: [jBoss-User] Case studies
> >
> >
> > > Come on! I need "real life" we have so much IT people on the list with
> > > ongoing projects. Can we hear your failures and your successes?
> >
> > In my department, we have been using Oracle 8i's JServer for EJBs with
> > terrible results. They force you to use too much proprietary code and
its
> > not easy to develop on. We chase obscure errors and need to spend time
> > working around different oracle problems that come up. I love their
> > database, but they are so far off the original intention of the EJB
spec.
> >
> > Thats why I've been looking into JBoss. A free app server thats written
to
> > the latest spec. The only problem that I have with JBoss is that it
won't
> > be complete in time for my applications to go live. Therefore I have
> > recommended that we go with Weblogic. It comes with its own problems,
such
> > as high cost, but the fact that it is proven in the industry to provide
> > scalable solutions to large projects gives the project managers the
> > confidence they need.
> >
> > JBoss on the other hand is not yet a complete solution. I'm sure that
when
> > it is done, it will compete with the best app servers on the market.
But
> > for my needs, its development won't be complete in time.
> >
> > Jeremy
> >
> >
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