Hi,
I appreciate this point of view that JBoss must be "completely
free." I do, however, respectfully disagree with it.
I think it's important to understand first, that the services offered by
a company like Telkel are not, strictly speaking, competing with
this mailing list. The additional value provided by people like Marc
is to have support, training, and development services available to
those organizations that work under deadlines and in business
situations that demand the highest standards. This support is
structured, timely, and _guaranteed_. Who better to hire than the
container developers? Well, they are available if you want them.
IMHO this is good news, not bad. But if you don't have use for
these services, then simply don't buy them. They will never be
mandatory, given the terms of the LGPL.
I understand that there are some people who believe software
should be "free" (with various meanings) for ideological reasons.
Christophe, I don't know where you stand on that issue. Your
points were very practical, actually. Anyway, it's probably useless
to discuss the philosophical reasons for and against this viewpoint,
since people rarely change their mind from such discussions.
Suffice it to say that most of the JBoss people believe that there is
a role for the market to play in software development. (I base this
statement on information from these mailing lists.)
Furthermore, the bulk of JBoss has been developed by a small
handful of people motivated at least in part by making a living. The
cathedral-vs-bazaar explanation for open-source software probably
has its merits, but in practice JBoss thus far has gone forward
mostly on the cathedral plan. You can't expect the cathedral
architects to work indefinitely without pay. So there has to be a
role for service, support, and associated products.
I know that this is mostly a labor of love for Marc and Rickard (the
heart and brains of JBoss). But if they are going to continue to
devote vast amounts of time to JBoss, they can't work 100% for
free. Nor should they. (Nor should they work even 1% for free,
unless they want to. I see no ethical obligation on anyone here.)
Don't get me wrong... I think that there are many motivations for the
people who work on JBoss, and some of those reasons are of the
"good for humanity" type (and the "this is fun" type too). But if they
were to view the open-source license of JBoss as a business
strategy to grab market share and make their services and
associated products more valuable, I say good for them. Either
way, I get a great product for free with all the source code.
-Dan
P.S. If some organization really wants Rickard, Marc, etc. to work
full-time on the "free" JBoss application server core, e.g. on
clustering or whatever features are important to it, may I suggest
sponsoring them to do so?
On 25 Jan 01, at 17:19, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> I do not like this idea, why :
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> 1 - JBoss is open source and free, until now, I have receive from JBoss the
> best support I have ever seen, due to discussion groups
> and attention of Rickard, and others peoples involved in the project. If we
> cancel this kind of support, I m not sure that the project will
> have the same success.
> So, why having payed support, when this free support cost nothing, is
> really good, and come from peoples that shares experiences
> and knowledge.
> If we have payed support, by example a team of 10 guy with good knowledge,
> until now I have a helpdesk of more than 100 real
> developers.
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> 2 - Often, some project manager like to have payed support (even if it is
> not necessary). Why ? simply because if their project
> failed, they can say that the problems are due to poor and/or bad support
> (I have already see this !!! Yes). Also, for Telkel, they
> can have some problems in Justice too ! Args !
> I have a friend that is an expert of this kind of problems, and he say that
> it is possible (rare, but possible !).
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> I think this project must be completely free
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> Christophe
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> Shahar Solomianik
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> I am willing to get paid for answering questions about jBoss !
> not that I commit to give the right answer if at all... :-)
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> Shahar
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> I have a marketing idea: it may be garbage or it may be great. What about
> Telkel offering support services for Jboss, at a fee, of course? If you
> look at Resin, for example, the JSP engine at www.caucho.com, they are open
> source, but they do have a support structure you can buy into. I was just
> thinking about this, as more companies may open up to Jboss if there is a
> company offering paid support.
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