>From my POV the problem is that we don't know if we are talking about 5% or 50% :(
For sure, with any solution it will be painful for them. The risk being is that a big breakage for them gives the opportunity to move to something else. About communication/anticipation it is a mandatory pre-requisite but I would really prefer that we call it jenkins 3.0. To make obvious the breaking change. For me changing the java runtime prerequisite in a minor version is a really strange strategy... Le samedi 29 octobre 2016, Baptiste Mathus <m...@batmat.net> a écrit : > Yes, but aren't we then back to the point, Arnaud: anyway, > places/companies where cost must be 0 are not going to upgrade to new > Jenkins version anyway? > > And when they're forced to upgrade at some point, in the meantime they're > likely to have also been forced to upgrade the Jdk from 7 to 8 on those > projects? Should we block the OSS project because, say, <30% of users won't > upgrade? If so, then why not, but how long? Since that category of users > basically only upgrades when forced to anyway? > > IMO, we could just define some future arbitrary date to give time to > everybody if we agree this is time. For example, announce on the blog and > everywhere we can that the first weekly version of 2017 (or some later > date) will be on java 8 min. This would give time for users to upgrade, and > possibly for the plugin to be improved wrt the multi-jdk support, by OSS > maintainers and/or companies who want to help theirs customers with this > upgrade. > > WDYT? > > > 2016-10-29 12:33 GMT+02:00 Arnaud Héritier <aherit...@gmail.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','aherit...@gmail.com');>>: > >> The problem is that when a user have a large number of maven jobs running >> on old JDKs, these are often legacy projects where the maintenance cost >> must be 0. The problem is that using toolchains requires to update you >> maven project and thus they'll probably won't do it :( >> Another solution may to work on a converter to freestyle or pipeline jobs >> .... Maybe they could prefer to loose some features if they gain in >> maintainability... >> >> >> On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 12:25 PM, nicolas de loof < >> nicolas.del...@gmail.com >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','nicolas.del...@gmail.com');>> wrote: >> >>> I indeed think we will have to support the evil maven job type for one >>> more decade, so need to make it flexible enough so migrating jenkins >>> codebase to a newer JDK is not blocked y this beast. As maven do support >>> toolchain, I just would like maven job do fully rely on it without any >>> extra configuration so end user don't have to worry about this terrible >>> runtime dependency. >>> >>> 2016-10-29 10:24 GMT+02:00 Arnaud Héritier <aherit...@gmail.com >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','aherit...@gmail.com');>>: >>> >>>> Are you proposing to write a real/good toolchain integration for >>>> Jenkins ? That will allow to generate / configure the config file based on >>>> what Jenkins deploys ? Ok with docker it is simpler to create an image with >>>> several JDKs and the configuration file hardcoded (in that case the >>>> challenge is to choose the docker plugin to use ..) >>>> >>>> >>>> Le samedi 29 octobre 2016, nicolas de loof <nicolas.del...@gmail.com >>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','nicolas.del...@gmail.com');>> a écrit : >>>> >>>>> ... or rely on tool chain, that has been designed to cover this exact >>>>> issue. >>>>> Didn't we had this debate few days ago ? >>>>> >>>>> Le 29 oct. 2016 9:48 AM, "Arnaud Héritier" <aherit...@gmail.com> a >>>>> écrit : >>>>> >>>>>> If you don't use the maven evil job type >>>>>> >>>>>> Le samedi 29 octobre 2016, nicolas de loof <nicolas.del...@gmail.com> >>>>>> a écrit : >>>>>> >>>>>>> Jenkins can require Java 8, but needs to support building arbitrary >>>>>>> Java project, even jdk 1.0 ;) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Le 29 oct. 2016 1:40 AM, "Martina" <martina.rie...@gmail.com> a >>>>>>> écrit : >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> btw. game-of-life that we all dearly love for demos only runs with >>>>>>>> jdk7, not jdk 8, at least the master branch does. >>>>>>>> https://github.com/CloudBees-community/game-of-life >>>>>>>> Not sure how/where to report it, so I'm guessing that the right >>>>>>>> powers-to-be see this one. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - Martina >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "Jenkins Developers" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to jenkinsci-dev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/jenkinsci-dev/c233f009-00a >>>>>>>> 4-4795-bcee-61502007dd64%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/jenkinsci-dev/c233f009-00a4-4795-bcee-61502007dd64%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> 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