Hi All, We had a discussion about this in the Governance Meeting last week and came to the following decisions to move forward.
We have had several recommendations/ideas for replacing the term "master" with another term. Ideas such as host, server, controller and others. We could not come to a consensus in the Governance Meeting, so we propose that we set a deadline for suggestions from this thread, then the Governance Board will select 10 of the suggestions for a Condorcet Internet Voting Service vote (Mark Waite will be the technical lead on setting this up). The poll will be used as input for the Governance Board to make the final decision. I propose that we keep suggestions going in this thread until July 1st after which the Governance Board can select the 10 suggestions that will go into the vote. We also realize that one term doesn't always meet the needs of the scope of the usage of the term. We are starting a discussion to update the glossary ( https://www.jenkins.io/doc/book/glossary/) with recommended terms for different use cases (e.g., Jenkins Web Interface, Jenkins Server Application). The discussion around "blacklist/whitelist" resulted in consensus that we definitely need to deprecate and replace these terms. The context in which these terms appear can require different replacements than just one specific set. Simple replacements for "blacklist/whitelist" would be "denylist/allowlist", but since context matters, we are not requiring one specific set of terms be used for replacement, just that "blacklist/whitelist" be replaced with acceptable terms. If you have questions about the acceptability of replacement terms, please ask in the developer mailing list. Once we decide on a term replacement for "master" we would like to focus on user facing places first like docs, web interface, etc., but the goal is to replace everything over time. The same priorities exist for "blacklist/whitelist". If you have not made suggestions and would like to, please reply to this email and I will collect the suggestions in the Google Doc ( https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-8myIWOZZktR0HNtbFIiNA0RfDCvkfKKuNI0C3wcvbo/edit?ts=5eea6706#) that Oleg created. Thanks! Alex Jenkins Governance Board Member On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 2:18 AM Tony Noble <tony.no...@gmail.com> wrote: > Another vote for allowlist/denylist (or blocklist). > > Controller/Agent is a sensible replacement for the master/slave paradigm > and has the benefit of being self-describing. I don't see that there > should be any confusion between Jenkins controller and Kubernetes > controller any more than there would be with any other type of controller. > "Server" should apply to the host, IMO. > > Tony > > On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 3:30 PM Oleg Nenashev <o.v.nenas...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> I started a Google Doc to capture proposals and votes >> >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-8myIWOZZktR0HNtbFIiNA0RfDCvkfKKuNI0C3wcvbo/edit?usp=sharing >> >> >> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 12:30:47 AM UTC+2, Tammy Fox wrote: >>> >>> +1 for allowlist/denylist to be consistent with what other communities >>> are using. >>> >>> I have 3 suggestions to replace Master: >>> >>> 1. Director >>> 2. Expeditor >>> 3. Coordinator >>> >>> Thoughts? I was thinking about what a Master does, and it seems similar >>> to the Expeditor in a restaurant kitchen. The Master getting build requests >>> and sending it to the individual build agents is similar to an Expeditor >>> sending different items to the different food stations in a restaurant. >>> >>> On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 4:05:58 PM UTC-4 Tracy Miranda wrote: >>> >>>> Good discussion on 'master' replacement - listening and learning >>>> >>>> On the other terminology I vote allowlist/denylist. >>>> This is also consistent with other projects communities e.g. >>>> Rails/Kubernetes >>>> https://github.com/rails/rails/issues/33677 >>>> https://github.com/kubernetes/website/pull/21591 >>>> >>>> Tracy >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 1:30 PM Justin Harringa <justin....@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Conductor is a cool suggestion! >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jun 15, 2020, 2:49 PM Adrien Lecharpentier < >>>>> adrien.lec...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I have to say that the music parallel from Angelique seems nice and >>>>>> has a lot of sense in my opinion. >>>>>> And the Jenkins butler is not that far from a music orchestrator as >>>>>> well. >>>>>> >>>>>> Le lun. 15 juin 2020 à 22:47, Daniel Beck <m...@beckweb.net> a >>>>>> écrit : >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > On 15. Jun 2020, at 22:39, Markus Winter <m_wi...@gmx.de> wrote: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Second the server is also just plain agent (more or less). 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