Actually, NLS and Bookshare books are in a special format like DAISY or BRF that sighted people can't access. The argument publishers make is that if a screen reader that is on the phone or similar device can be used by anyone and is not an exception to the law. I can't imagine many people would rather have a mechanical voice read a book than have a live voice read it but computer voices will continue to improve so the publishers want to take a stand now. I don't agree with them at all.
On 12/19/14, Nicole Massey via Jfw <[email protected]> wrote: > One more detail -- when people read books for the blind or visually > challenged they often obtain permission from publishers and copyright > holders, but this is just a courtesy. The Copyright Act of 1976 exempts > Braille and audio versions, along with large print copies and any other > accessible forms, from copyright restrictions. I'm not a copyright lawyer, > but I was told this by one and I've had it confirmed by others. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Angel via >> Jfw >> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 8:32 AM >> To: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS); The Jaws for Windows support list. >> Subject: Re: Kindle Books, not all have audio! >> >> When people read books, they obtain first permission from the author >> and publisher to do so. Such is spoken on the Library of Congress >> recordings, and Audible has first obtained permission from those >> entities to have the book put in to audible format. This is why >> Universities must obtain permission from the publishers to receive >> electronic books. I trust this clears up the mystery for you. I am no >> copy write attorney. But, this is my understanding of the situation. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw" <[email protected]> >> To: "Guerra Access Technology Training" <[email protected]>; "The >> Jaws forWindows support list." <[email protected]> >> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 8:09 AM >> Subject: RE: Kindle Books, not all have audio! >> >> >> > Somehow that is considered by some a copyright violation--nonsense. >> > If a live person reads it to me, that's okay, but if Computer Jane >> > reads it I'm some kind of criminal; how does that work? >> > >> > Ted >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Guerra >> > Access Technology Training via Jfw >> > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 1:00 AM >> > To: 'Tim Ford'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' >> > Subject: RE: Kindle Books, not all have audio! >> > >> > Their was a movement several years ago about a rally against the >> > Authors Gild since they were mandating that not all authors should be >> > made to make their books with Audio. Hence this is the result of the >> > authors guild still not fixing it >> > >> > >> > Respectfully, >> > >> > Guerra Access Technology Training LLC >> > An Authorized state of Minnesota Vendor for Technology Training >> > >> > Call Guerra Access Technology Training LLC guerra Access Technology >> > Training LLC Visit Guerra Access Technology Training on the Web >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tim >> Ford >> > via Jfw >> > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 10:56 PM >> > To: Adrian Spratt; The Jaws for Windows support list. >> > Subject: Kindle Books, not all have audio! >> > >> > I was very excited when I successfully installed and used the Kindle >> P >> > PC software. I read some of the three books that come pre-loaded. I >> > was able to do that just fine. >> > >> > I then bought a Kindle book, a 2014 copyright date. It showed up on >> > my Kindle software. I went to read it, and got no speech. I called >> > Amazon, and found that not all Kindle books, even new ones, have the >> > audio. There is nothing to warn a blind purchaser that they are >> > buying a print only version. When I called Amazon, they confirmed >> the >> > book I had purchased had no audio. The rep said the only way to tell >> > is that when you are in your shopping cart, there is apparently a >> > separate button to buy the version with audio included. I told him >> > Amazon should put up a warning, since the absence of an audio version >> > button would not warn someone like me who assumed all new Kindle >> books came with the audio included. >> > >> > So, excitement is all gone. Amazon did of course refund my money, >> and >> > said to check back every couple of weeks to see if the seller had >> > responded yet to Amazon's request to add an audio version. Oh well. >> > >> > Tim Ford >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw >> > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 7:59 PM >> > To: The Jaws for Windows support list. >> > Subject: RE: Accessible method of converting Kindle book? >> > >> > Thanks for posting this useful information, but it leaves a question. >> > If this Kindle comes with its own two voices, why is JAWS needed? Or >> > put another way, are you saying we can ignore Amazon's voices and >> work >> > just with JAWS? That's what I'd want. >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Andre >> > Jarreau via Jfw >> > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 9:11 PM >> > To: 'Nicole Massey'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' >> > Subject: RE: Accessible method of converting Kindle book? >> > >> > Yes there is a Kindle version with built in JAWS accessibility. It's >> > called Kindle_for_PC with JAWS screenreader plug-in already installed >> > in it. >> > JAWS works pretty well with it. Call Amazon Cust Support and ask for >> > the Kindle_for_PC with JAWS screenreader plug-in download. They will >> > assist with getting everything onto your computer and stay with you >> > until you get it up and running. >> > >> > Be ware the Kindle speech synthesizer has only two voices, Male and >> > female. >> > Neither is very good and understanding what is written sometimes >> takes >> > a little time. But overall it does work fairly well with JAWS. >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nicole >> > Massey via Jfw >> > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 7:49 PM >> > To: 'Tim Ford'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' >> > Subject: RE: Accessible method of converting Kindle book? >> > >> > Well, the Kindle player for Windows should let you access it, though >> I >> > don't know how accessible that application is. Anyone got any >> > experience with it? >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tim >> >> Ford via Jfw >> >> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 6:46 PM >> >> To: The Jaws for Windows support list. >> >> Subject: Accessible method of converting Kindle book? >> >> >> >> I want to read a book that so far as I can tell, is available only >> in >> >> print or Kindle. It is a 2014 copyright date. Is there any method, >> >> accessible with JAWS, by which I can purchase the Kindle version, >> and >> >> convert it to some file I can access? >> >> >> >> Tim Ford >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was >> >> scrubbed... >> >> URL: <http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the- >> >> jdh.com/attachments/20141218/9504746f/attachment.html> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Jfw mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Jfw mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Jfw mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Jfw mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Jfw mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Jfw mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Jfw mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jfw mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Jfw mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com > -- Marianne Denning, TVI, MA Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired (513) 607-6053 _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list [email protected] http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
