Miguel wrote:
Miguel wrote:
Image exporting is currently only supported in the Jmol application.
Some functionality could be added to the applet, but it would require
cooperation with a cooperating CGI on the web server.
Given the (mediocre) level of web technology expertise of most of the
Jmol
community, I believe that it would be a support nightmare.
Q: Is this a definitive 'NO' against implementing the necessary export
callback function or just a "we should better not implement this, but if
the users really insist..."?
From my perspective, it is a 'NO' for at least 1 year.
Rolf, it is not clear to me what your specific interest is ...
There are several different things going on here ...
* I was referring to the image exporting that currently exists in the
Jmol application. This is .jpg and .png support. These images are
(presumably) not of publication quality.
This is exactly what I was referring to (and why I ommitted the rest of
the discussion concerning 'publication quality').
* There is no 'publication quality' image support in the Jmol
application. The PovRay infrastructure is in place, but support is crude.
That needs to be expanded significantly. I believe this component
represents many months of work.
I noticed this already by testing the PovRay export function and by
discussions here on the list.
* Personally, I have little/no interest in helping to create 'publication
quality images'
- I work on Jmol for free/fun
- my motivation is to help students learn
introductory chemistry/biochemistry
<inflammatory>
- publications are targeted at professionals, not students
- publications are business entities that have budgets
- there are other software tools that can do a better
job of generating publication-quality images
- the whole purpose of Jmol is to do things in 3D, not 2D
- paper distribution of professional publications is
dead / dying / wrong / inappropriate given the web
- electronic distribution of professional publications
should be interactive ... they should *use* Jmol, not
just take flat pictures from Jmol
</inflammatory>
/* I don't intend to offend anyone with my inflammatory remarks */
My specific interest in the export function is currently just to
overcome the problems in obtaining images from Jmol that extend the
screen size.
As far as I noticed the maximum applet size (Version 10.00.18) seems to
be 2000x2000 pixel. It would be quite tedious to rebuild the complete
image from a number of screenshots.
Especially for large protein complexes the standard screen resolutions
(1024x768,1280x1024) don't provide enough details.
I agree with you that it would be best if data presentation could always
be interactive, but I think this will take at least 10 years (most
probably much more) until this goal might be achieved.
The option to use other software tools to create higher resolution
images doesn't apply for the purpose Jmol is used at the "Jena Image
Library of Biological macromolecules". The goal of my current work is to
provide a tool to the scientific community (including students) that
integrates the 3D-mapping of various biological data into a single
user-friendly Jmol interface. It would require really a lot of time and
knowlegde to rebuild an equivalent data representation without this
interface.
Regards,
Rolf
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