On Wednesday, September 07, 2005, at 02:50PM, Nicolas Vervelle <[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Angel Herraez wrote:
>
>>I don't agree; I understand "17-19" means "17, 18 or 19" --and think any 
>>casual user would 
>>see it the same way--; you can know scripts and use them on the console 
>>without looking at 
>>the innards of the pdb file. Of course, in this approach "select 19-17" 
>>doesn't make much 
>>sense -I doubt anybody would use it-, but what happens if the file is 
>>unordered (19-18-17), 
>>the user doesn't know it, and tries to select residues 17 through 19? (s)he 
>>gets nothing!
>>In summary, I see that residue numbers are a way to refer to the residues by 
>>their identity 
>>(biochemical meaning), not how they are written in the coordinates file.
>>
>>
>I tend to agree with Angel, select shouldn't depend on the order in the 
>pdb file.
>Otherwise, what would happen with a file completely unordered (is it 
>possible ?)  : if you have 17, 20, 19 would 20 be selected by 17-19 ?
>
>Concerning the behaviour with 19-17, I would say it is the same as 17-19.
>It may be easier to write scripts
>

I think select 17-19 should work irregardless of the order of residues in the 
pdb file.

select 19-17 should not work anywhere because it doesn't make sense. :-) plus 
it is too easy (for scripters) to make sure your select command puts the 
biggest number last.


fwiw, the pdb spec does not disallow unordered residues in the list:

"
In most cases, the amino acids that comprise a protein are numbered 
sequentially starting with 1. However, there are a number of situations that 
may give rise to different numbering schemes
"

and it gives several good reasons why you may see unordered numbering. 
<http://www.rcsb.org/pdb/docs/format/pdbguide2.2/guide2.2_frame.html>



yet another other two cents ;-)

tim

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