On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Philip Bays <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Firefox 3.6.8. But it was also an issue in 3.6.7 before .8 was released
> yesterday.
>
> But why does it work for you and not for me?
>
Remember, if it doesn't work for you, it doesn't work for some user.....
But I didn't use 3.6.7, I used 3.5.7.
> Remember, it will work the first time because it has never cached the page.
> It is the second and subsequent times that you start with a new launch of
> firefox, and it is only the second structure that is affected.
>
> right - now I'm thinking it's a bug that doesn't delete the cached files
between sessions.
>
> I will check the java setting because that seems like it would solve the
> problem. But I do not find such a setting in my Java preferences or
> Firefox preferences. I will continue to look. And how can I be sure that
> all users will have Java set that way?
>
>
I"ll bet it's a 3.6 problem. FIrefox 4.0 beta is available. Or you just got
a bad build of 3.6.
>
>
> On Jul 24, 2010, at 10:34 AM, Robert Hanson wrote:
>
> one last thing -- all works properly when you deselect the Java option to
> use the cache, right?
>
>
> That is correct.
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 9:32 AM, Robert Hanson <[email protected]> wrote:
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>> also, Phil, you will need to be very specific as to browser version. I'm
>> not seeing the problem on my Mac with Firefox 3.5.7. But it almost certainly
>> related to newer security measures that Firefox has installed. Apparently
>> Java access to its cache is considered local file access and is being
>> blocked.
>>
>> Just to make sure, am I right about this:
>>
>> 1) Mac only
>> 2) Firefox/Mozilla only
>> 3) Firefox -- what version?
>> 4) Only when Firefox is closed and then reopened and sent to the same site
>> (what is odd about this is that the Java cache is supposed to be
>> cleared automatically in that case)
>
>
> Ah -- now, does that mean that you have some special setting in Java that
>> does not clear the cache when the browser closes. That has always been my
>> experience -- and it's important -- that the Java cache is only for a single
>> browser session. That's how I test the applet -- close the browser and
>> re-open it to ensure that the applet is loaded again.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 9:12 AM, Robert Hanson <[email protected]>wrote:
>>
>>> you need to report this to Bugzilla.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 7:09 AM, Philip Bays <[email protected]>wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think I have just diagnosed the problem, but not the solution.
>>>>
>>>> I have opened the java preferences and completely cleared the cache. (I
>>>> know Angel, you said that in the first place.) Indeed, firefox loads both
>>>> structures as expected and three items now appear in the java cache -- the
>>>> applet and each of the molecule files.
>>>>
>>>> If I now close firefox, reopen it, and access the page, the error
>>>> occurs. If I remove the chlorophyll file from the java cache, then restart
>>>> firefox, it works, again putting chlorophyl in the cache. Upon restarting
>>>> firefox, the error again occurs.
>>>>
>>>> If I turn off java caching, there are no problems. For some reason,
>>>> Firefox does not like chlorophyll in cache.
>>>>
>>>> Phil
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 24, 2010, at 7:29 AM, Otis Rothenberger wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Phil,
>>>>
>>>> I'm just curious about something: On a browser that throws the error
>>>> loading chlorophyll, what happens if you execute the following JavaScript
>>>> command from the location window (address field) while the first stucture
>>>> is
>>>> displayed in Jmol?
>>>>
>>>> javascript:jmolScript("load Structures/chlorophyll.pdb")
>>>>
>>>> I'm just bypassing the button above to see if the problem is via the
>>>> button route???
>>>>
>>>> Otis
>>>>
>>>> Otis Rothenbergerchemagic.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 7/24/2010 6:38 AM, Philip Bays wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ok, I got the code right. But it does not work on all browsers. I
>>>> see no difference with this code than what I was observing before.
>>>> Namely,
>>>> on the Mac, and the Mac only, and a freshly started mozilla browser
>>>> (Firefox, Camino, SeaMonkey), the first structure loads fine, but the
>>>> chlorophyll structure throws a java access error with the unsigned applet.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 23, 2010, at 5:51 PM, Robert Hanson wrote:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.saintmarys.edu/~pbays/JStest/HTMLFiles/NT1.html<http://www.saintmarys.edu/%7Epbays/JStest/HTMLFiles/NT1.html>
>>>> http://www.saintmarys.edu/~pbays/JStest/HTMLFiles/NT2.html<http://www.saintmarys.edu/%7Epbays/JStest/HTMLFiles/NT2.html>
>>>>
>>>> Ah, yes, these pages look much better. So what are the results?
>>>>
>>>> The page NT1 should load on all platforms with no issues at all. It is
>>>> precisely the stated way of doing things.
>>>>
>>>> Same for NT2. And from this one I can save the state - see attached.
>>>> (Just drag that PNG file into the app or applet.)
>>>>
>>>> Was that just the issue? That Phil was trying to load models before the
>>>> applet was ready?
>>>>
>>>> One of the nice things about the signed applet on the web is that all
>>>> the file references are http:// <http:/> references and you have the
>>>> menu option to save the PNG image. This image actually contains the full
>>>> Jmol state (as a trailing comment), so when you save the IMAGE to your hard
>>>> drive, you can still load that image into Jmol and it will work. Really
>>>> quite magical. I just did this with the chlorophyll example, and it still
>>>> amazes me that it is possible.
>>>>
>>>> Bob
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 3:38 PM, Otis Rothenberger <
>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Phil and Bob,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm confused about Bob's last note, but the following point may be
>>>>> relevant:
>>>>>
>>>>> I get the same message as below, but it looks like Phil is on a Unix
>>>>> system - case sensitive.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.saintmarys.edu/~pbays/JSTest/HTMLFiles/NT1.html<http://www.saintmarys.edu/%7Epbays/JSTest/HTMLFiles/NT1.html>does
>>>>> not exist, buts
>>>>> http://www.saintmarys.edu/~pbays/JStest/HTMLFiles/NT1.html<http://www.saintmarys.edu/%7Epbays/JStest/HTMLFiles/NT1.html>does
>>>>> exist.
>>>>>
>>>>> Otis
>>>>>
>>>>> Otis Rothenbergerchemagic.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/23/2010 4:03 PM, Robert Hanson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> *We're sorry...*
>>>>>
>>>>> The page you are looking for:
>>>>>
>>>>> */~pbays/JSTest/HTMLFiles/NT1.html*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Philip Bays <[email protected]>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> OK Bob, et. al.:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have tried to mimic a piece of one of your pages, namely:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/docs/examples-11/simple.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I also tried to view this page in Firefox, but you are using the
>>>>>> signed applet. Everything I have tried, even the stuff I should never,
>>>>>> ever, ever do:-) works with the signed applet for me, and I may
>>>>>> ultimately
>>>>>> go that route.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, I have the same issues with Firefox on the Mac with the new
>>>>>> script. I have loaded it at:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> www.saintmarys.edu/~pbays/JSTest/HTMLFiles/NT1.html<http://www.saintmarys.edu/%7Epbays/JSTest/HTMLFiles/NT1.html>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The equivalent path to NT2.html is the signed applet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Robert M. Hanson
>> Professor of Chemistry
>> St. Olaf College
>> 1520 St. Olaf Ave.
>> Northfield, MN 55057
>> http://www.stolaf.edu/people/hansonr
>> phone: 507-786-3107
>>
>>
>> If nature does not answer first what we want,
>> it is better to take what answer we get.
>>
>> -- Josiah Willard Gibbs, Lecture XXX, Monday, February 5, 1900
>>
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>
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> Robert M. Hanson
> Professor of Chemistry
> St. Olaf College
> 1520 St. Olaf Ave.
> Northfield, MN 55057
> http://www.stolaf.edu/people/hansonr
> phone: 507-786-3107
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>
> If nature does not answer first what we want,
> it is better to take what answer we get.
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