Thanks for the elucidation, Bob. I'm not so familiar with the code base.
I'm unaware what you did with ChemDoodle and why. You've said in this last
email and the original of the chain that the idea is to have a lightweight
applet. But what's the *purpose*? Simply that, for a quick glance at simple
molecules, this would be a quicker process due to a smaller applet size and
less class loading?
If so, is this for mobile /touch devices in particular? It seems to be
quite an ugly bolt-on for a difference of 100-500k which, considering
today's average internet connection speed, is insignificant (in my humble
opinion).
Presumably the feature is planned as opt-in, i.e. by default it's disabled?
Dave
On 21 March 2013 17:20, Robert Hanson <[email protected]> wrote:
> JSmol is already highly modular, with a lot of reflection, and only the
> critical methods and classes are included in the 1.7 MB core.z.js file.
> That, for example, includes no scripting, no surfaces, no menus, no
> console, no states, no images, no surfaces, no special shapes, almost no
> file readers. Much of it is Java itself, but even that is only the Java
> classes that are needed. I might be able to carve off more -- going down
> the list of what's in core.z.js, I see some opportunities. But getting that
> to, say, 200K, that would be almost impossible. Viewer definitely would
> need to be subclassed in that way, and that might help. So that's a good
> idea.
>
> The idea of the super-light version would be truly a twirly small molecule
> only -- just that. Along the lines of what ChemDoodle can do. So I'm
> thinking that not even have it be Jmol. I started working a bit with
> TwirlyMol, and it looks like that's the right idea, but I haven't got it
> finished yet. Just very very light.
>
> Bob
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 4:10 AM, Simone Sturniolo <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> This idea picks my interest, though for my application I'd like something
>> slightly more functional (with capabilities to draw solids, lines and text,
>> beyond the simple molecular plotting).
>> A question: is it possible that such a JSMol "lite" version would also
>> render faster? Or should we expect more or less the same kind of speeds?
>>
>> Simone
>>
>>
>> 2013/3/21 N David Brown <[email protected]>
>>
>>> Isn't it more likely that if a user has a minimum footprint requirement,
>>> they will adhere to TwirlyMol or an alternative rather than desire that
>>> Jmol load later?
>>>
>>> Regardless, I like your "slice" idea personally. Better to spend time
>>> developing a staged loading process for Jmol than effectively introduce a
>>> dependency on an external project whose future is uncertain.
>>>
>>> There are a few ways you could approach this. One idea is to split core
>>> classes into base and non-base versions, e.g. Viewer has core
>>> functionality moved to a new class BaseViewer which Viewer extends to
>>> provide the entire feature set.
>>>
>>> You could then use the Reflection API to reload all Base* classes as
>>> their subtypes at a time of the user's choosing.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> On 20 March 2013 21:50, Robert Hanson <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Jmol users,
>>>>
>>>> An idea is being considered to have a very light-weight "starter" model
>>>> for small molecules in the JSmol suite that is not derived from Jmol but is
>>>> instead from some other package. Kind of like what we were doing with
>>>> ChemDoodle, but not having the licensing issues that come with that.
>>>> Java-based classes would not be involved until some later option was chosen
>>>> by the page visitor.
>>>>
>>>> Suggestions? What's around now that is light-weight and doesn't require
>>>> anything special (no WebGL)?
>>>>
>>>> This can be VERY simple. Just balls and sticks, for example. 100-200K
>>>> max. Maybe just a couple of file formats, like MOL and XYZ.
>>>>
>>>> Another possibility would be to slice off the absolute minimum of Jmol
>>>> to just handle balls and sticks. I wonder how many bytes that would
>>>> require...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bob
>>>>
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>>>> St. Olaf College
>>>> Northfield, MN
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