nice, nice words from neil.  i don't agree with your take on joni's
motivation, but that's just fine.  thanks a lot for this bit.

patrick

np - taming the tiger, which i've for some reason been listening a lot to
lately.  just love the title song.  be nice, kitty, kitty...

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Victor Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:38 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; patrick leader
>Subject: RE: dancing to architecture
>
>
>
>>
>> furthermore, i think nietsche's statement is perverse in its avoidance of
>> the fact that art is always searching to describe what's outside of
>itself.
>> does joni think writing should only be about writing?  does she write
>music
>> that's only about music?  is poetry about love lame because it's not
>> actually love?  of course not, but neitsche and joni miss that point.
>>
>
>This excerpt from a Neil Young interview below I think really captures the
>idea about art, music in this case, searching to describe what's outside of
>itself.  I think Joni's statement is more about herself, as statements
>often are, that "she" probably couldn't write about music...but some people
>do very well...
>
>Victor
>
>*EXCERPT from
>
>New York Times - Sunday Magazine 7/30/00
>
>Neil Young On a Good Day
>By Steve Erickson
>
>
>''I just didn't like people telling me what to do,'' he explains almost
>offhandedly. ''I didn't like people telling me if I made more records like
>'Harvest,' I would be successful. That's when I came up with the concept of
>destroying what I created in order to move on. I wanted to do what I called
>audio verite.''
>
>He pauses and looks out the window. ''At a certain point, trained,
>accomplished musicians'' -- which is to say, not him -- hit the wall. They
>don't go there very often, they don't have the tools to go through the
>wall, because it's the end of notes. It's the other side, where there's
>only tone, sound, ambience, landscape, earthquakes, pictures, fireworks,
>the sky opening, buildings falling, subways collapsing. . . . When you go
>through the wall, the music takes on that kind of atmosphere, and it
>doesn't translate the way other music translates. When you get to the other
>side, you can't go back. I don't know too many musicians who try to go
>through the wall.'' He stops for a moment. ''I love to go through the
>wall,'' as if you ever doubted it for a moment.

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