I continue to be flabbergasted by the condescension displayed here.  Who are you Kakki 
to save the
world from it's own consciousness?  You fancy yourself as a "Pollyanna" - and imply 
that those
against a war, display negativity, while those for one ... are what optimistic, 
hopeful, positive?
 Ye Gads!  

Thank you Mary for putting an intelligent and less biased twist on it then either 
Kakki or I can,
coming at it from different directions as we do.  

And let us remember that the revolutionaries, the left, the ex-patriots are the ones 
who formed
this country.  My country right or wrong is out!  My country let's be the best that we 
can be is
more the mantra I would be compelled to chant.

How dare anyone imply that I am anti-American. I understand better than you know the 
efforts from
both sides that make for a pretty good system of checks and balances in or country.  
But I must
propell myself from the left and you from the right and sometimes we must look and 
understand the
other side to know what is needed next.  BUt as you think we don't budge over here on 
the left, I
continue to see no movement on the right.     

I sat all week at my very right wing Republican job, and listened to all this 
footstomping and
whining and judgement, and I thought if you only knew half of what you think you know 
about
people!  I could not respond cause I was busy making that "American Dream" come true 
for almost
half the price and double the work than I used to get and do.  Even in my business, 
this war is
not going to be a welcome thing for the economy as it once used to be.  Hmmm anyone 
seen gas
prices lately?  O-I-L-!  Definitley an ingredient in this recipe for war, and yes, not 
the only
one, I realize.


Peace,
Susan

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Mary E. wrote: 
> "Nihilists with an agenda"?  Exactly who are you talking about, Kakki?  If
> it's leftists in general, most of them I know have as their purpose not
> annihilation of anything for its own sake, but rather, restructuring and
> starting again, with different and (from their point of view) better goals.
> I'm just not sure who or what you're referencing.
> 
> And who said "everything and everyone is [our] government is so evil?"  

> I have NEVER heard any self-identifying leftist on this list, or, I've got to
> say, anywhere else, state that "everything and everyone in their government
> is. . .evil."  Never.
> 
> It's this all-or-nothing tendency that you seem to evidence on the issue of
> criticizing the U.S. or its various policies that, frankly, has me perplexed.
 
> We've had some good exchanges in the past, Kakki, even when (or maybe,
> especially when) we disagreed.  But I'm afraid I have to agree with Patrick on
> this one.  It does seem to me that you brand EVERY attempt to criticize the
> U.S. as "anti-American."  And that's a label that, even as I oppose this war
> vociferously and dissent on other actions and positions on which I think my
> country has fallen short, I'll never, ever accept.
> 
> Mary P.
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