hey david, mack, and others... i just wanted to follow up on my comments on kakki.
please know that i do love and respect her. though i often don't agree with her politically, i value her viewpoints, and follow her links and read her research, and have learned important things and modified my views as a result of her posts. however, she has, very consistently in the last 18 months, brought up the subject of anti-americanism whenever anyone has expressed doubts about our foreign policy. and, i repeat, any criticism of bush almost invariably gets a vague comment about anti-americanism on the list from kakki. david, you may not have seen it, but i have, and i'm apparently not alone. this is what got me riled up enough to post. i've been really withdrawing from political threads on this list, for a couple of years. i didn't like the strident sound of my e-voice. but noticing something so unrespectable from someone i mostly respect, over a long period of time, seemed to demand a comment. this exchange occured on saturday: > It does seem to me that you brand EVERY attempt to criticize the > U.S. as "anti-American." > kakki: I think I have only used that term here twice in the past couple of years and that's just a lie. kakki lied. she has made the accusation of anti-americanism over and over again. and when she says she hasn't accused listers, she's also lying. she has not, i repeat, NOT, distinguished between lister comments and non-lister writing posted here in her comments. each of us who has posted criticism of bush 43 has felt accused by kakki of anti-americanism. that is what i spoke of, and what i hope kakki will stop doing. i don't want her to stop contributing to the discourse, i just want her to stop associating opposing viewpoints with treason. dissent IS patriotism, in a healthy democratic society. i'm also very unimpressed by kakki's early response to my rant, especially my post "is this clear enough for you, kakki?". she responded, "maybe i'm too dense" and "i'm not an intellectual" come on. i have a good vocabulary and i read a lot, but i don't even have a college degree. am i an intellectual? i don't believe for a second that kakki was unable understand my viewpoint. she was dishonest, again. this is a woman who asked us to trust her opinion on the missile shield because of her long association with military contractors and the lawyers that represent them, which is fine and added to my knowledge on the issue. but still... kakki, please tell us: when are we supposed to think you are smart, and should adjust our views based on your wisdom? when are we supposed to think you are stupid, and not responsible for your views? you CAN NOT have it both ways. patrick, who has probably written enough for tonight. np - amon tobin - bridge > >Hey list -- > >Kakki had been vocal in her general support of Bush and our system. She is >sort of like the Ayn Rand of the list. I think she is smart and informed, >even when I don't agree with her, and have never had the sense that she put >down others as anti-American. She could not have been more fair-minded >during our Reagan/HIV exchange. I value Kkakki's opinions and hope, like >mack, that she keeps posting (however wrong, or right, she may be)! > > >David > > >patrick leader at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> every single thread in >> which a jmdler says anything negative about our current >president eventually >> draws a comment from kathryn about anti-americanism on the list.
