But I wonder who you're saying isn't liberal? Maybe you use the words differently in America. In Europe, liberalism is associated with a certain set of ideas that might be held by any member of the labour, liberal, environmentalist and conservative parties. There are conservative labour party activists, liberal conservatives, conservative environmentalists and so on. Many modern so-called conservatives are much more liberal than traditional leftwing labour activists. I see a lack of liberalism in some posts from jmdl members who would call themselves leftwing, and I see liberalism in posts from some people regarded as rightwing. The dialectic has moved beyond these terms so they're obselete and misleading, and they blind us to an individual's reasoning on any given point - they're prejudicial labels, anti-liberal in fact.

Sarah


At 2:53 PM -0500 02/21/2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This may just be me,but I think part of it may be that we associate a "Joni Mitchell" discussion group with people having at least fairly liberal views.we get a little shocked at contrary views.I guess it's hard for us leftists to be as open minded as we could be sometimes in accepting other points of view

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