Sarah and All,

I think rather than get into a debate involving semantics, we should acknowledge that 
indeed it is
s difference in our culture or politics that creates your questioning the use of 
"liberal."  

I have been here all m life and as Randy said the left is often considered the liberal 
and the
right, conservative.  Now, as I say we could go to the dictionary and look it up, but 
that's kind
of like going to the bible and declaring an absolute.  So I would suggest again that 
this has been
the "tag" here for all of my life.  

Also, just a note about Conservative vs Liberal.  Politics and sentiment are like the 
market, very
cyclical. I will never forget the shame and pressure that was piled on me and fellow 
"liberals" in
the 80's and how long it took some of us to proudly put that name tag back on.  Now I 
am by no
means saying what's good for the goose is good for the gander.  I am just pointing out 
that that
weight that "conservatives" may be feeling now will pass too.  And that everything 
comes and goes
.... 

Peace,
Susan


--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> But I wonder who you're saying isn't liberal?  Maybe you use the 
> words differently in America. In Europe, liberalism is associated 
> with a certain set of ideas that might be held by any member of the 
> labour, liberal, environmentalist and conservative parties.  There 
> are conservative labour party activists, liberal conservatives, 
> conservative environmentalists and so on.  Many modern so-called 
> conservatives are much more liberal than traditional leftwing labour 
> activists.  I see a lack of liberalism in some posts from jmdl 
> members who would call themselves leftwing, and I see liberalism in 
> posts from some people regarded as rightwing.  The dialectic has 
> moved beyond these terms so they're obselete and misleading, and they 
> blind us to an individual's reasoning on any given point - they're 
> prejudicial labels, anti-liberal in fact.
> 
> Sarah
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