On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 10:19 AM, Octavian Rasnita <orasn...@gmail.com>wrote:
> From: "Richard D. Worth" <rdwo...@gmail.com> > >> Question stands: how will the forum treat each new post? Will it require >>> >>> constantly logging in to receive new notifications? >>> >> >> >> No, this is what RSS is for. >> > > Please don't remember anything about RSS, because RSS can't be used for > posting a message to the forum. > I was answering the question of receiving new notification, not posting a message to the forum. I hope we can get to a point where email could be used to post new messages to the forum. But that's not possible today. > > If a user is subscribed to 10 mailing lists, then he or she needs to > remember just a single username and a single password, but if he or she is > subscribed to 10 forums, needs to remember 10 URLS and usernames and > passwords, and he or she also will need to get used to use 10 different > designs, so it is not easier at all. > You don't have to convince me that subscribing to a mailing list is an easier way to receive thousands of messages a month from multiple mailing lists. There are compromises, and this is one. Instead of a mailing list server remembering that you want to receive all those messages, a web browser or rss client remembers. Again, this is pull vs. push. I tell you what, it sure is easier to unsubscribe now. You can just not visit the bookmark, or not click on the folder in the rss client, or unsubscribe in the rss client, or delete the bookmark. You may not have any trouble unsubscribing from mailing lists, but there used to be a couple of messages every week to the jquery-en mailing list saying 'unsubscribe'. 25,000 people don't need to get that email message. This would often be followed up be a lengthy back-and-forth discussion about some of the ways a user can unsubscribe from the list, either via email (to the correct address) or via the web site. That's a lot of noise, and it increased as the number of new users increased. > > But maybe I am uninformed and there is a way of posting messages to the > forum without log in each time. Is it possible? > > I think that a half-solution could be something like: > > 1. To be able to use an easy to remember address like forum.jquery.org. > 2. After visiting that page, to appear a form with a big standard > <textarea> field, and a standard submit button, without needing to login at > all. > > The login could be done once and the session could be kept for a year or > so, and if the users browsers send a cookie with the appropriate session ID, > they should be considered logged on. > > That could be a half of a half of solution, because the users might forget > their password if they don't use it as often as the password for email, or > they could forget the URL and it will take some time to find it, If we're trying to reduce the amount of moderation needed to keep spam down, I don't think allowing for anonymous posting is going to help much. As far as urls and usernames and passwords, web browsers are pretty good at remembering those kinds of things so users don't have to. The forum should remember that the user is logged in as well, if the 'Keep me signed in' box is checked when logging in. I've heard that currently isn't working for some users (don't know the specifics), but I'm sure that will be fixed. For me, I use my gmail login to log into forum.jquery.com, and I always stay logged into my gmail. So when I go to the forum, I just have to click 'Log-in' and then the gmail icon and I'm in. I don't have to even type in my username. Not because my browser remembers it, but because of openid. I'd prefer if I didn't even have to click 'Log-in'. I hope that is something that can get fixed as well, so I'm always logged into the forum, even if I close my browser. > and there is no solution for getting all the messages from the list with an > accessible RSS client. > As was mentioned before, there are rss2email services. Here are a few: http://www.google.com/#q=rss2email > > Wouldn't be more simple to have an email address on Gmail, that takes care > of SPAM, no matter if it comes from the JQuery mailing lists or from other > sources? (or on another email provider that have a good antispam program?) > > I don't know if the JQuery mailing lists were spammed and then manually > cleaned, but I know that I have a Gmail email account and I don't receive > almost any spam, although now I can see almost 1000 spam messages in my SPAM > folder. > I was always amazed at how much spam we had to deal with as google groups moderators, given that gmail does such an outstanding job of keeping spam out. It's a shame the technology isn't better shared between those two. The only reasonable way we had to deal with it was to moderate first posts from every user, which doesn't scale well, and frustrates users. John went into quite a bit of detail on this, so I won't repeat it: http://ejohn.org/blog/google-groups-is-dead/ - Richard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "jQuery UI" group. To post to this group, send email to jquery...@googlegroups.com. 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