Re: Dreamweaver & JSP

[Dylan Rosario]

The original question was can you use Dreamweaver ULTRADEV to lay out the page... well of course you can. And well the layout of the HTML and the various ways to view you document is worth the time it take to learn the application.  The sites you can create are beautiful.

If you used     vi   "all" the time, your web site would look like sh....t. 

Coding is just as much of an art form as graphics.  I think if you are a web developer you should always aspire to do better design. No matter if it is a photoshop project or a complex java bean.  Those who criticize new tools like Dreamweaver are probably not even using a GUI based operating system.  Only coders who lack the flexibility to ever grow beyond vi are scared of Graphical based tools.  I use vi too but it's not the tool to use for layout.

Yes, I have to agree with you on the one-way street if you use the Ultradev generated code.  Although if you can program a bean you can use that instead.  It does the basic <jsp:useBean> conventions.  Write a JSP tag lib, jar it up and add it to your application to use the full extent of the Dreamweaver Ultradev DOM compliant interface.  It really is a hybrid application. I have several applications that use a blend of Ultradev code and hand written code.  The real power comes if you understand XML and can write tag library's you can pretty much do all you want with Dreamweaver.  Read the docs on how to extend the Dreamweaver JSP interface. 

Time to market is everything.  I can make $200,000 dollars in 6 weeks because my team uses rapid development tools like Dreamweaver Ultradev 4 and Forte for Java to design high quality web sites.    But if you know your sh...t you don't have any thing to worry about the because your smart enough to use DOM and customize the interface for generating the code... 

It's just my opinion too, so take it with a grain of salt, but my bank accounts and happy clients sure says something else.

Dylan

At 03:59 PM 3/26/01 -0500, M. Simms wrote:
>Bingo....my sentiments exactly.....
>it's also good for designer-types who cannot program for sh...t.
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Lee Turner
>> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 5:07 AM
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: Re: Dreamweaver & JSP
>>
>>
>> I have to agree.  We have put together a few simple intranet applications
>> very quickly, but the code that it generates is very hard to
>> maintain - all
>> that JDBC code in each file - yuck !!!  I am not sure about
>> UltraDev 4, but
>> in the previous version it would only allow you to use single
>> column primary
>> keys.  This is a little difficult in larger apps.  I would
>> personally stick
>> to UltraDev for knocking together prototypes.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Lee
>>
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>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: M. Simms [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 7:38 AM
>> > To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > Subject:      Re: Dreamweaver & JSP
>> >
>> > Yeah.....but what about all of that imbedded JSP code within the
>> > page......
>> > how are you going to make changes ?
>> > Once you do, you cannot go back to the built-in JSP code generator /
>> > Ultradev server-side behaviors....
>> > it's a one-way street....unless you know how to customize the
>> > behaviors....
>> >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification
>> and reference
>> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dylan Rosario
>> > > Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 12:31 PM
>> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > > Subject: Re: Dreamweaver & JSP
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Erwin,
>> > >
>> > > I developed a 30 page JSP application in under 2 week by my self with
>> > > Dreamweaver Ultradev4.  Complete with administration forms and
>> > > multi-record
>> > > views.  It's the fastest way to get a mid to large size app to the
>> > market.
>> > > I highly recommend it.  Stick to servlets to do complex binary
>> > > streams from
>> > > the database and you have a powerful tool at your hands.
>> > >
>> > > If you like superior layout design I recommend dreamweaver after you
>> > write
>> > > your code.  But even with it's repeat region function you
>> will find the
>> > > flexibility and extensibility nice.
>> > >
>> > > Dylan
>> > >
>> > > At 08:40 AM 3/23/01 +0530, you wrote:
>> > > >Hi guys,
>> > > >
>> > > >This is my first J2ee project, and i was wondering - Can I use
>> > > Dreamweaver
>> > > >3 for editing my jsp files, or should I get Dreamweaver Ultradev? I'm
>> > > >pretty good at using DW 3.
>> > > >I don't need dreamweaver to do any coding itself - I am eager to do
>> > every
>> > > >bit of the jsp coding myself. But I'm wondering whether DW3
>> will allow
>> > me
>> > > >to edit the (layout of the) pages after i've finished coding them.
>> > > >I intend to use taglibs, but not XML.
>> > > >
>> > > >Any advice from the experts?
>> > > >TIA!
>> > > >
>> > > >-Erwin
>> > > >
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