> If you used vi "all" the time, your web site would look like
sh....t.
What a load of utter codswallop. That's like saying Dickens wrote garbage
because he didn't use Microsoft Word. Or like saying that if someone writes
in assembler all the time, they can't possibly write good applications.
Tripe.
> Those who criticize new tools like Dreamweaver are probably not even using
a GUI based operating system.
So, if I use a GUI based O/S, I have to love Dreamweaver, because it is the
be-all and end-all, the absolute ultimate, the totally unreproachable,
nirvana of web design tools, not even open to criticism. Wow, I've heard of
zealots, but...
> Time to market is everything. I can make $200,000 dollars in 6 weeks
because my team uses rapid development tools like Dreamweaver Ultradev 4 and
Forte for Java to design high quality web sites. But if you know your
sh...t you don't have any thing to worry about the because your smart enough
to use DOM and customize the interface for generating the code...
Ah yes, the "time to market" argument. To refer to your own comment, "if you
know your sh...t", who cares what tools you use? If I can write well
designed, well implemented, well documented, maintainable sites just as fast
using 'vi' as you can using your fancy tools, who cares what tools we use?
Of course, your message implies you are a consultant, and you don't say
anything about documentation or maintainability, so perhaps our goals are
not quite the same.
> It's just my opinion too, so take it with a grain of salt, but my bank
accounts and happy clients sure says something else.
Oh, I'll take a large grain of salt, thank you.
> Dylan
Martin.
> At 03:59 PM 3/26/01 -0500, M. Simms wrote:
> >Bingo....my sentiments exactly.....
> >it's also good for designer-types who cannot program for sh...t.
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and
reference
> >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Lee Turner
> >> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 5:07 AM
> >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Subject: Re: Dreamweaver & JSP
> >>
> >>
> >> I have to agree. We have put together a few simple intranet
applications
> >> very quickly, but the code that it generates is very hard to
> >> maintain - all
> >> that JDBC code in each file - yuck !!! I am not sure about
> >> UltraDev 4, but
> >> in the previous version it would only allow you to use single
> >> column primary
> >> keys. This is a little difficult in larger apps. I would
> >> personally stick
> >> to UltraDev for knocking together prototypes.
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >> Lee
> >>
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> >>
> >>
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: M. Simms [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >> > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 7:38 AM
> >> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > Subject: Re: Dreamweaver & JSP
> >> >
> >> > Yeah.....but what about all of that imbedded JSP code within the
> >> > page......
> >> > how are you going to make changes ?
> >> > Once you do, you cannot go back to the built-in JSP code generator /
> >> > Ultradev server-side behaviors....
> >> > it's a one-way street....unless you know how to customize the
> >> > behaviors....
> >> >
> >> > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > From: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification
> >> and reference
> >> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dylan Rosario
> >> > > Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 12:31 PM
> >> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > > Subject: Re: Dreamweaver & JSP
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Erwin,
> >> > >
> >> > > I developed a 30 page JSP application in under 2 week by my self
with
> >> > > Dreamweaver Ultradev4. Complete with administration forms and
> >> > > multi-record
> >> > > views. It's the fastest way to get a mid to large size app to the
> >> > market.
> >> > > I highly recommend it. Stick to servlets to do complex binary
> >> > > streams from
> >> > > the database and you have a powerful tool at your hands.
> >> > >
> >> > > If you like superior layout design I recommend dreamweaver after
you
> >> > write
> >> > > your code. But even with it's repeat region function you
> >> will find the
> >> > > flexibility and extensibility nice.
> >> > >
> >> > > Dylan
> >> > >
> >> > > At 08:40 AM 3/23/01 +0530, you wrote:
> >> > > >Hi guys,
> >> > > >
> >> > > >This is my first J2ee project, and i was wondering - Can I use
> >> > > Dreamweaver
> >> > > >3 for editing my jsp files, or should I get Dreamweaver Ultradev?
I'm
> >> > > >pretty good at using DW 3.
> >> > > >I don't need dreamweaver to do any coding itself - I am eager to
do
> >> > every
> >> > > >bit of the jsp coding myself. But I'm wondering whether DW3
> >> will allow
> >> > me
> >> > > >to edit the (layout of the) pages after i've finished coding them.
> >> > > >I intend to use taglibs, but not XML.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >Any advice from the experts?
> >> > > >TIA!
> >> > > >
> >> > > >-Erwin
> >> > > >
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