Martin,
"Of course, your message implies you are a consultant, and you don't say
anything about documentation or maintainability, so perhaps our goals are
not quite the same."
You also forgot the biggest benefit to "doing things right", as opposed to
this Model 1/VB/RAD approach: code and pattern reuse. This, along with the
two items you mention above, are things that clients who use consultants
normally aren't savvy enough to realize they're missing, and how much money
they're blowing by having the consultant come back in and re-develop the
same cookie-cutter code over and over for each app, or to later try to
extend or enhance a mish-mosh of spaghetti code that was "generated" by
their productivity tool. There's a good balance though, we all know the
answer to this argument in our heart when we put our zealousness aside.
Sometimes I use WebSphere Studio to quickly bang out a prototype because
it's wizards can get a database web app up and running quickly. But I'd
never put that code into production because it is so tangled and does things
like throws the ResultSet into the session for page navigation.
Bill Hines
Hershey Foods
-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Cooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 2:00 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Dreamweaver & JSP
> If you used vi "all" the time, your web site would look like
sh....t.
What a load of utter codswallop. That's like saying Dickens wrote garbage
because he didn't use Microsoft Word. Or like saying that if someone writes
in assembler all the time, they can't possibly write good applications.
Tripe.
> Those who criticize new tools like Dreamweaver are probably not even using
a GUI based operating system.
So, if I use a GUI based O/S, I have to love Dreamweaver, because it is the
be-all and end-all, the absolute ultimate, the totally unreproachable,
nirvana of web design tools, not even open to criticism. Wow, I've heard of
zealots, but...
> Time to market is everything. I can make $200,000 dollars in 6 weeks
because my team uses rapid development tools like Dreamweaver Ultradev 4 and
Forte for Java to design high quality web sites. But if you know your
sh...t you don't have any thing to worry about the because your smart enough
to use DOM and customize the interface for generating the code...
Ah yes, the "time to market" argument. To refer to your own comment, "if you
know your sh...t", who cares what tools you use? If I can write well
designed, well implemented, well documented, maintainable sites just as fast
using 'vi' as you can using your fancy tools, who cares what tools we use?
Of course, your message implies you are a consultant, and you don't say
anything about documentation or maintainability, so perhaps our goals are
not quite the same.
> It's just my opinion too, so take it with a grain of salt, but my bank
accounts and happy clients sure says something else.
Oh, I'll take a large grain of salt, thank you.
> Dylan
Martin.
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