Celeste, your assumption correct. I learnt the OO concepts and design by
programming in pure Java, bypassing C++. And a lack on knowledge of C++ has
NOT so far hindered me from programming in jsp and servlets. Thanks for the
info on DCOM and the URL to the M$ site. I would agree with you about the
futility of learning a technique that may be obsolete in less than a year's
time. But, that's a developers life - constantly upgrading to newer
technologies. If I could have my way, I'd stick to the J2EE platform and
forget that M$ ever existed. But I can't.
regards,
Rohit.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Haseltine, Celeste" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, 21 August, 2001 10:19 PM
Subject: Re: FW: What is equivalent of EJB in ASP?
> How can you be programming JSP's/Servlets without any knowledge of object
> oriented concepts and design? Unless you learned those concepts first by
> programming in pure Java, and bypassed learning C++. If not, I'm not
> surprised that you are having some difficulties. It sounds like your
> employer has tossed you into two competing technologies (JSP/Java,
ASP/COM)
> without the proper background or training to understand either. And a
> background in C will not help you in either of these two technologies.
>
> The microsoft web site has some of the best info, along with journals such
> as the VB Programmers Journal. MS site can be found at
> http://www.microsoft.com/com/tech/DCOM.asp. I will forwarn you that not
> having a background in object oriented concepts and design (such as C++ or
> Java) will make it difficult if you learn COM or DCOM, and then move over
to
> JSP/Servlets/Java or C++. The concepts in Com/DCOM, in my opinion, are
not
> transferable into other technologies (with the possible exception of
CORBA).
> In addition, Com/DCOM will be deprecated by MS when the .NET platform is
> released in it's final form, which is suppose to happen by the end of the
> year. So I would not waste a lot of time learning a technology that will
be
> outdated by the end of this year. I would really focus my time on
learning
> JSP/servlets, how to create Java class objects (beans), and OO concepts.
>
> Celeste
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rohit Kuttappan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 11:01 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: FW: What is equivalent of EJB in ASP?
>
>
> Thanks for your insight, Celeste. I don't have much knowledge of C++,
though
> I know C. Could you please point me to some resources on COM/DCOM and
> ActiveX.
>
> Thanks
>
> Rohit.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Haseltine, Celeste" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 August, 2001 12:46 AM
> Subject: FW: What is equivalent of EJB in ASP?
>
>
> > Rohit,
> >
> > Sorry, I hit the enter key, when going for the backspace, so disregard
my
> > previous email.
> >
> > Lets try this again.
> >
> > Couple of ways I "think" of JSP and ASP.
> >
> > 1. JSP's are compiled, ASP's are interpreted. Therefore, JSP's run
> faster
> > than ASP's, but ASP's are somewhat easier to debug.
> >
> > 2. EJB's and COM/DCOM share the same "concept" in that DCOM and EJB's
are
> > used for distributed environments/computing. But that is pretty much
> where
> > the concept ends in my mind. COM/DCOM is MS way of trying to implement
OO
> > concepts, and if you come from a C++ background like I do, COM was
always
> a
> > little difficult for me to grasp.
> >
> > 3. COM components with a visual interface (Active X controls) can be
> > thought of as the equivalent of a JavaBean, if you stretch your mind a
> > little.
> >
> > 4. The MVC model doesn't really hold to ASP/COM in my opinion, yet if
you
> > review the recent literature on MS .NET platform, you can see a LOT of
> > similarities to MVC and to Java in the architecture.
> >
> > 4. ASP doesn't allow you to separate you presentation code (HTML) code
> from
> > your logic and db access as well as JSP does. BUT, if you use a lot of
> tag
> > libraries in your JSP code, then you can think of some of the MS
concepts,
> > such as ADO, as just a form of a tag library (kinda sorta!!).
> >
> > 5. If you have not worked with MS technologies at all, keep in mind
that
> MS
> > does NOT implement true OOD and OO Concepts, except with VC++. At least
> not
> > the way I learned them as a C++ programmer. You may find yourself
> "bending"
> > your mind from the JSP and Java concepts and architecture that you are
use
> > to using for web development to accommodate ASP/COM.
> >
> > Hope this helps, and sorry for the inadvertent previous email.
> >
> > Celeste
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rohit Kuttappan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 12:46 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: What is equivalent of EJB in ASP?
> >
> >
> > I am new to server side programming. Although I have some exposure to
jsp
> > and servlets, I have no experience with asp. But my job requirement is
> that
> > I learn asp as well.
> >
> > Though, I believe that jsp and asp are quite similar, I have not been
able
> > to figure out how the MVC model applies to asp and what is the
equivalent
> of
> > EJB in asp. Please help me.
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > Rohit.
> >
> >
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