Re: [Juglist] TechEngage III

[John Luce]

Hmmm, sounds like an I-D  10-T  problem here...   The Mission of TechEngage was to retrain persons in order to allow them to get jobs, it wasn't meant to amuse Java folks (or Microsoft folks or SAS folks...). There was a clear goal in mind.   Part of that process was to then allow persons with this training to use it in volunteer work. That has yet to pan out.   So, I never said that $145 was supposed to do that, I did say that the the objectives were not met and the cost was not more than reasonable for what you got, but for what the intent of the mission was it was not working, so in terms of the objectives, the cost did not match the end result.   So, let's stop being so parochial about this and understand that people who know object oriented languages and folks who have long time skills in software development using ANY language can learn "yet another language" and do the job as long as the language snobbery ("But you don't have 5 years in "my" language of choice") doesn't get in the way. But it does. It does big time, so no learning even at $5 or $2500 per week will help as long as that attitude is in place.   And let's also face it, look in the mirror, most of us are no longer 30-something. Companies are using "not my language" arguments also as a way to age discriminate, but that is a discussion for another time.   The planet I am from is the reality planet, you use an educational program to better your chances of employment. In this strict sense, TechEngage has failed. In the sense of self improvement it has not.   Thank you for your time, and I'll return you to your current program.   ----- Original Message ----- From: Salvatore Mungal To: Research Triangle Java User's Group mailing list. Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 10:06 AM Subject: Re: [Juglist] TechEngage III So you want $145 to get get you professional training and a job? What planet are you from? John Luce wrote: They didn't treat Java as 2nd class. But those of us with lots of programming experience got NO response from employers after taking the Intermediate Java class. So, why bother? Of course, that also held true for SAS, C#,... etc. It's only $145, but the classes have been worth $0 to almost all of us who have been through TechEngage I and II... Following up with Volunteer programming (when we could find it) hasn't helped either... Great premise, excellent courses in a short period of time, but getting us in doors... no way. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erik Hatcher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Research Triangle Java User's Group mailing list." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 11:16 PM Subject: Re: [Juglist] TechEngage III On Feb 26, 2004, at 11:04 PM, Don Brady wrote: David M. Bloom wrote: Why didn't they carry Java? Linux sounds good though. They always treated Java as a second-class citizen. That being the case, we may be better off without their touching Java..... But what a friggin' bargain to have Stu and Ted Neward teach you Java for a week for $145 (or whatever tiny amount it is).... wow! Erik _______________________________________________ Juglist mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://trijug.org/mailman/listinfo/juglist_trijug.org _______________________________________________ Juglist mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://trijug.org/mailman/listinfo/juglist_trijug.org _______________________________________________ Juglist mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://trijug.org/mailman/listinfo/juglist_trijug.org

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