Time: an evening a week or hour a day would be a good minimum I think,
though it depends on your working style.

Project: have you used any open source projects before? They're a good
place to start by joining the mail lists and getting into the projects.
Also check out the sourceforge help-wanted section.

Hen

On Mon, 1 Mar 2004, Ariva Rajaraman wrote:

> Speaking of Open Source, if I may ask.  I am a Java/J2EE developer wants to
> enhance my skills by working on a Open Source project.  Where can I start ?
> How much of time/day should I be willing to spending on average to be fair
> to the project.  Please advice.
>
> Thanks,
> Ariva.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of Conrad F. D'Cruz
> Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 1:32 PM
> To: Research Triangle Java User's Group mailing list.
> Subject: Re: [Juglist] Why is volunteering for open source a
> badthing?(wasTechEngage III)
>
>
>
>
> Michael Silverstein wrote:
>
> > These are two different topics. But anyway, I agree that the opportunity
> > to acquire technology for free for the purpose of learning is a very
> > clear benefit.
>
> Actually I was not referring to the acquisition of technology for free or
> without paying!!  Besides open source ... there are other "unique" and
> "innovative" ways of doing that -- most of which are illegal!!
>
> I was talking about the experience one can get
> by contributing to the development of an open source project.
>
> > As to the first point, it is often the case that when you give something
> > away for free you build an expectation in the market that it will always
> > be free. The exception is where you build up a dependency, and then
> > start charging. Drugs come to mind, "your first hit is free but the next
> > one we charge for". Since this is not likely to happen with software
> > there is a possibility that over time as more software becomes free or
> > very inexpensive it may drive the overall price of software down, as
> > well as the price of people who make software, which the exception of
> > certan specialty software.
>
> Hmmm ... Strangely enough the idea of drugs did not even come to my mind!!
>
> What about demo licenses?  NFRs?  Most companies give the developer
> license away for free.  Great for people who want to learn to use
> the tools, sharpen their skills and spruce up the resume!!
>
> Many of us use the free tool as a window into what the vendor has to offer.
> There are many tools that I have not become "addicted to" especially if
> no paying project used those tools.  So while the "first hit" was free, I
> did
> not pay for the "next hit" of many of the tools ... but know that I can go
> back for several "free hits" if I want to -- be it open source or a vendor
> NFR tool.
>
> I know that is the direction the TriJUG SIG will be taking as they
> train the members who will be participating in the Java portion
> of that free training.  Ultimately a fair number of those members
> will find paid assignments/projects to work on.  Any experience
> they garner from working on an open source project will only
> help regardless whether it is configuration of the same/different
> tools or developing different tools.
>
> > However, there are alternative models:
> >
> > Andrew Oliver said:
> > > I founded a small company on the basis of my work in open source...
> > > Jboss...
> >
> > Andrew pointed out several valid business models built on selling
> > services for software that is provided for free. The cautionary note
> > here is that not all free software lends itself to selling services, and
> > not all users of software, free or otherwise, are inclined to augment
> > that software with services. I personally have been the beneficiary of
> > quite a bit of free software, yet I have not yet spent a dime on
> > services. I think this is the more common model.
>
> Andrew identified the need and the areas that would support the model
> of ... give away the software for free, but charge for customizing it.
> It worked for POI and works good for JBoss too.
>
> It depends on what the focus of your career is and how you market yourself.
> A "solutions architect" can creatively structure revenue generating
> offerings
> that blend free software with services that solve specific business
> problems.
> The value added services in these cases have very little to do with
> the nitty gritty of customizing a piece of software but in providing
> a larger solution that meets a business need.
>
> > On the other hand a company may do a better job capturing a market with
> > free software than they would by charging for it, and the proportion of
> > users who are willing to pay for services provides enough revenue to
> > make the whole endeavor worthwhile.
>
> Yes ... and but more often than not a consultant who offers a broader
> range of services than mere software customization stands a better chance
> of landing a project/contract.
>
> > The other cautionary note is that when you provide software without
> > charge you benefit members of a market who might otherwise have paid you
> > or your employer to do the same thing. There may be other indirect
> > benefits and it is important to have those clearly identified before
> > spending your own finite and valuable resources.
>
> This is very true and it is up to an individual to recognize their own
> assets
> and liabilities.  Sometimes it comes from painful lesson learned!!
> Regardless
> it is a personal experience and cannot be taught in a classroom or seminar.
>
> > If you find a way to sell those people services or are able to be paid
> > by a company that does, or somehow receive some other indirect benefit
> > then everything works out. If not you should reconsider the arrangement.
>
> I have run across some web sites that provide "expert answers" for microsoft
>
> products (mostly configuration issues).  I am not sure how
> successful they are at getting people to fork over $19.95/month to have
> OS configuration issues solved.  I think something like that would
> probably be a working model for a few open source products/developers but
> I am not sure it will be tremendously successful as a business venture.
>
> > Conrad D'Cruz said:
> > > I think there are many problem in the IS/IT field that
> > > pre-date the dot com boom and bust!!  It is a lot more
> > > involved and we cannot pin the "blame" on any one thing!!
> >
> > I don't think I was trying to say that. Economics is a vastly complex
> > field and it�s a good day when you can even get two economists to agree.
> > If you were to try to build a mathematical model of the world economy
> > the number of variables, if you could even identify them all, would be
> > staggering.
>
> ... and what ultimately works for the economists is a lot of "smoke and
> mirrors" :)
> and that's why they get paid the big bucks regardless of the state the
> economy is in.
> I think I am in the wrong line of work ... I can B.S. with the best of them
> ... and
> can even PhD (pile it higher and deeper).
>
> > I posed these questions as points to consider and also to suggest that
> > free software has changed the equation to the benefit of many and
> > possibly the detriment of some. Each of us has our own context within
> > the world economy. It behooves us all to understand what that context is
> > and whether participating in open source projects on balance benefits us
> > as individuals, specifically when contributing on a volunteer basis with
> > no clear promise or path to compensation.
>
> I do not disagree.  Then again money may not be the only determining factor
> and there may be some latent elements of altruism involved in the equation.
>
> Who knows?
>
> As for me ... at this juncture ... I can only say ... [* Java(TM) -- to
> satisfy the
> requirements of the list to keep the discussion on this list Java based]
>
> Conrad
>
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