Hei Jan,

thank you for your comments. We/I will consider them carefully.

greetings from Zurich
stefan

Jan-Oliver Wagner schrieb:
> Hi Stefan,
> 
> Am Donnerstag 22 März 2007 22:01 schrieb Stefan Steiniger:
>> Out of the discussion yesterday and today in a personal talk with Erwan
>> we realized that the project (from Erwan), but also other people like
>> me, have (1) other needs for functionality than Desktop GIS end-users.
>> (2) Furthermore, in response to the FOSSGIS in Berlin, we see a need for
>> a legal entity for organizing workshops and receiving money for
>> particular developments.
>>
>> *) The proposal we have now, is that JPP would focus on end-user
>> developments. The OpenJUMP enduser version will still be hosted on
>> Sourceforge (probably under the JPP umbrella). Further we will establish
>> a second OpenJUMP Reserach Version (which will obtain later a different
>> name), on that Erwans team can work on and will be a GIS platform for
>> research.
>> Here it is not yet clear where this project will be hosted (several
>> proposal have been made: Intevation, SourceForge or IRSTV institute
>> (http://www.irstv.cnrs.fr/) .. thereby I do prefer a sourceforge account).
>>
>> It is intended that for endusers useful functionality will be merged
>> into the original OpenJUMP (which needs of course people to do that).
> 
> I do recommend to not arrange future development this way.
> IMHO it is much better to maintain a single source code repository
> where both version live and share the same code.
> This has the big advantage that merging code basis andback/forth
> patching might not be dropped at the end of the day due to lack of time --
> I've seen this happen oce too often.
> 
> Keeping a differenct version for the end-user could be done with some
> technical help easily. E.g. a configuration that makes the GUI appropriate 
> for 
> end-users and to make it show all the bells and whistles.
> 
> Additinally, branching will help to maintain stable releases or
> to play with strange new core-changes.
> 
>> *) With respect to the legal entity: Erwan offered to give SIGLE, which
>> is already one, a sligthly different objective than currently. This
>> means SIGLE should renamend (eventually to OpenJUMP Research Consortium)
>> and interantionalized (not only to the european scale) to be able to
>> organize development and teaching on OpenJUMP and OpenJUMP-R.
> 
> If it only is a matter of managing financial apects, e.g. the GAV 
> (www.grass-verein.de) might help (they managed the financial stuff
> of the recent FOSSGIS in Berlin already). All infrastructure is there 
> (tax-excempt etc).
> But going with SIGLE transformed into some *OJ* sounds OK as well.
> It is ust the question whether the effords are doable (don't underestimate
> the effords, Intevation helped to raise three such entities so we have
> our experiences).
>  
>> A personal final comment: We need to re-think who will drive JPP and
>> what and who is JPP? I will be rather commited to the research version,
>>   for the case of staying on a university by autumn this year.
> 
> Sustainability is supported by commercial activity. Scientifc projects
> come, have high activity and suddenly end any such. So, they are extremely
> valueable but can not ensure the sustainability.
> What also helps sustainability is regular use of OJ in university lectures
> and programming/use seminars.
> 
> Best
> 
>       Jan
> 
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