My personal feeling is the MX80 wasn't widely adopted as a lower density subscriber box given the lack of redundant REs. The MX104 may find it's niche as a BRAS.
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:25 PM, Eric Van Tol <[email protected]> wrote: > One thing to keep in mind about these boxes is that, like the > MX5/10/40/80, the built-in 10G ports do not do hierarchical QoS (per-unit > scheduling). I'm confused as to why this is, considering they are > Trio-based routers, but I digress. I personally don't think that the > astronomical cost to enable the 10G ports on all the low-end MX routers is > worth it, considering they can't even do per-unit scheduling. > > -evt > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: juniper-nsp [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of > > joel jaeggli > > Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 4:00 PM > > To: Saku Ytti > > Cc: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [j-nsp] Juniper MX104 > > > > > > On Nov 12, 2013, at 12:46 PM, Saku Ytti <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On (2013-11-12 20:14 +0000), Tom Storey wrote: > > > > > >> Why so much just to enable some ports? How do they come up with that > > >> kind of price? Pluck it out of thin air? > > >> > > >> The hardware has been paid for, and I know thats only list pricing, > > >> but it still seems ridiculous. > > > > > > The question might have been rhetoric. But I'll bite. > > > > > > The BOM on these boxes is nothing, I'm guessing less than 1kUSD. But > the > > > volume you can sell them also is very very small, so the margins need > to > > be > > > very high to be able to design and support them. > > > Licensing allows you to sell to larger group of people, people who > > normally > > > would buy smaller/inferior box, now can afford it, which in turn > allows > > you > > > to reduce your margins, making you more competitive. > > > > > > I actually like it. I wish vendors like Agilent/Ixia, Spirent would > sell > > > test-kit with some sort of 'per hours used' license. Lot of SPs have > need > > for > > > proper testing kit, but only will need them very irregularly. And > renting > > is > > > always such a chore. It's same thing there, BOM is nothing, but volume > is > > even > > > lower, so prices are ridiculously high, consequently proper testing is > > very > > > rarely done by other than telco size SPs. > > > > It's one of those things where you work with account team. if the > commercial > > terms don't work out for most potential buyers, then the product won't be > > successful and either things will change or they won't. > > > > > -- > > > ++ytti > > > _______________________________________________ > > > juniper-nsp mailing list [email protected] > > > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > juniper-nsp mailing list [email protected] > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp > -- Bill Blackford Logged into reality and abusing my sudo privileges..... _______________________________________________ juniper-nsp mailing list [email protected] https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
